We can invite folks from companies such as NVIDIA and Broadcom. Hesham
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023, 10:25 AM Jeff Tantsura <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, my question was a bit of tongue in cheek one, as the founding > member and attendant (till the end of last year) - i know exactly what UEC > is about. > > To your points - this is none of IETF business why some Eth work is done > outside of IEEE; if tomorrow you, me and Bob’s uncle decide to work on > another protocol (as long as it is not IPv10 ;-)) we are free to do so in > our spare time, and before there’s any interoperability with the existing > protocols issue, no-ones business really. > > We (chairs) have no intention to make these (mostly educational) meetings > an arena for marketing speculations. > If anything - we feel, we should go back to basics and IETF relevant > technologies, what is RDMA, why it is used in AI clusters, IP transport > (RoCE), routing implications, topological implications, etc > > We want to see: > -folks who use these technologies > -folks who build these technologies > -folks who innovate in the space (not slides but have running > code/products) > > Cheers, > Jeff > > On Aug 18, 2023, at 03:15, Hesham ElBakoury <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Jeff, > It is a new consortium, therefore, they have not yet produced spec that we > can discuss. The objective of bringing them in is two-fold: > > 1) discuss in details what do they plan to do and why they do not propose > a project in IEEE 802.3 and IEEE 802.1 (*) to do what they want in the > physical layer and link layer respectively? I am also not clear on what > they plan to do in the AI/HPC transport and how it interacts with the > physical and link layers. > > 2) how IETF can work with them and perhaps influence their direction and > plans specially in the transport layer where they plan to develop a new > transport protocol on top of IP which advances beyond the status quo to > support the requirements of AI/HPC applications (I am actually wondering > why they do not let IETF do that work? Is it because IETF is slow?) > > Hesham > > (*) I recall that many years ago IEEE 802.1 created a datacenter bridging > (DCB) group to standardize protocols for converged Ethernet. The DCB group > was terminated and the last project which was congestion isolation (IEEE > 802.Qcz) was done in IEEE 802.1 TSN TG. Is it the termination of the DCB > group that motivated the consortium to do the link layer standardization > outside IEEE 802.1? > > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 11:27 PM Jeff Tantsura <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hesham, >> >> What have they produced that is worth discussing? >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff >> >> On Aug 17, 2023, at 20:49, Hesham ElBakoury <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Few companies such as Cisco, HP, Microsoft, Broadcom, AMD created Ultra >> Ethernet consortium to create standards which optimize Ethernet networks >> for AI. >> >> For more details you can refer to the consortium website: >> https://ultraethernet.org/ >> >> We should invite in the next AIDC meeting a representative from this >> consortium. >> >> Thanks >> Hesham >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtgwg mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg >> >>
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