Like Joel, I no longer object to working group adoption.  The shortening and 
focusing of Section 5.2 is a welcome improvement.

Thanks, --David

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Halpern <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 12:07 PM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: [rtgwg] Re: FW: New Version Notification for 
draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-05.txt

[EXTERNAL EMAIL]

Thank you.  While I still have concerns about how we will address these
problems, you have addressed my concerns and I do not object to working
group adoption.

Yours,

Joel

On 2/2/2026 11:17 AM, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote:
> Hi Joel,
>
> Happy to do that.
>
> Your comment about the ambiguity of "lossless" was addressed by the update of 
> version -04, in which "lossless" was removed and "low latency" was used 
> instead in describing the service requirements.
>
> Your comment about "issues such as very-low-loss delivery should be described 
> as potential results, not as goals of the work" is addressed by the new text 
> in the second last paragraph of the introduction.
>
> Your comment about "at the very least I would expect identification of 
> problem spaces with different characteristics, and possibly explicit 
> statements that they should be addressed with different techniques." is 
> addressed by the new text in the last paragraph of the introduction.
>
> Please let us know if they addressed your comments.
>
> Best regards,
> Jie
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joel Halpern <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 11:20 PM
>> To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <[email protected]>; [email protected]
>> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [rtgwg] FW: New Version Notification for
>> draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-05.txt
>>
>> Can you please summarize for the list the changes you made to address my
>> comments.  I apparently missed the early proposal of resolutions.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On 2/2/2026 10:11 AM, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote:
>>> Dear WG,
>>>
>>> Version -05 of fantel problem statement is uploaded to address the
>> comments received from Joel and Zafar, it also reflects the recent discussion
>> among the coauthors.
>>> Thanks again for all the comments and discussion. Further review and
>> feedback are welcome.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jie (on behalf of coauthors)
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 11:04 PM
>>>> To: Francois Clad (editor) <[email protected]>; Dongjie (Jimmy)
>>>> <[email protected]>; Luis M. Contreras
>>>> <[email protected]>; Mike McBride (editor)
>>>> <[email protected]>; DURMUS Mehmet
>> <[email protected]>;
>>>> Francois Clad <[email protected]>; Hao Lu <[email protected]>;
>>>> Jeffrey Zhang <[email protected]>; Dongjie (Jimmy)
>>>> <[email protected]>; Luis Contreras
>>>> <[email protected]>; Mehmet Durmus
>>>> <[email protected]>; Mike McBride
>> <[email protected]>;
>>>> Ran Pang <[email protected]>; Reshad Rahman
>> <[email protected]>;
>>>> Rui Zhuang <[email protected]>; Xiaohu Xu
>>>> <[email protected]>; Yadong Liu <[email protected]>;
>>>> Yongqing Zhu <[email protected]>; Zhaohui Zhang
>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: New Version Notification for
>>>> draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-05.txt
>>>>
>>>> A new version of Internet-Draft
>>>> draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-05.txt
>>>> has been successfully submitted by Jie Dong (editor) and posted to
>>>> the IETF repository.
>>>>
>>>> Name:     draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement
>>>> Revision: 05
>>>> Title:    Fast Network Notifications Problem Statement
>>>> Date:     2026-02-02
>>>> Group:    rtgwg
>>>> Pages:    15
>>>> URL:
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-0
>>>> 5.txt
>>>> Status:
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement/
>>>> HTMLized:
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dong-fantel-problem-state
>>>> ment
>>>> Diff:
>>>> https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-dong-fantel-problem-s
>>>> tatement-
>>>> 05
>>>>
>>>> Abstract:
>>>>
>>>>      Modern network applications, ranging from Artificial Intelligence
>>>>      (AI) /Machine Learning (ML) training to large-scale cloud services,
>>>>      require adaptive networks to ensure reliable and congestion-free data
>>>>      transfer within or across multiple data centers.  A good and timely
>>>>      understanding of network operational status can help to enable faster
>>>>      response to critical events, so as to enable the selection of paths
>>>>      with reduced latency and improve network utilization.  This
>> document
>>>>      describes the existing problems and the need of fast network
>>>>      notification solutions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The IETF Secretariat
>>>>
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