Hi
    Real-Time agitated folk, and others also interested in hard real-time for Linux, 
be it RTL or RTAI -

    On a constructive note, some of this debate is good.  Granted that we should all 
make the effort to acknowledge the
concepts and programing styles contributed by others.  On another note how hard 
real-time hooks into Linux is
a hot debate worth having....

   That is to say if Real-Time hooks are ever going to make there way into the main 
stream linux kernel it will
be because this list managed to come to a very important consensus.... A consensus 
that will matter!

   Thus lets have this debate... pros vs. cons,  Please with gracious acknowledgments 
included!!!

    We might proceed to come up with a party line that leaves Linus feeling like the 
real-time camps
can agree about the part of this that affects his work..... Ie. we should respect that 
he might help us
down our Hard Real-time road if we can help him by coming to agreement to the degree 
that
allows us to recommend a small and unified set of kernel adjustments.... am I dreaming 
or are we all
trying for this same thing ?.... Hard Real-Time for Linux with hooks nailed into the 
kernel so it is less likely to break
on Kernel revision.

   You are all good at these things, and clearly have your heart in it, that's why the 
feeling are felt so.
With much respect for all, be it building RTAI or RTL....
....At least in America, I think it is good that we have two camps!
... It's Looking up for Hard Real Time Linux.

   Cheers
       -Peter


Karim Yaghmour wrote:

> Following my first posting on this thread, Victor and I have
> exchanged quite a heated discussion (off the list). I can't
> say that we reached any agreement on anything and I still do
> have my concerns, but I would like to publicly apologize for
> flaming Victor. My intent was to spark a fruitful discussion
> and it wasn't necessarily the best way to start.
>
> That said, I still do think that there are serious issues that
> need to be resolved (which means that the discussion is still
> ongoing). I have my concerns, so does Victor and so do others,
> but as Jeff has just pointed out: "Arrogance, on anyone's part,
> is not going to help". So here, this is an attempt to push
> things on a more reasonable track.

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