And apparently google groups no longer provides the 'reject with comment'
moderation option, which is why I handled like this.  If any other group
mods know how to you can still do that, please let me know...

-- Chad

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Chad Woolley <thewoolley...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Duta,
>
> I think this ship sailed about four years ago, and in general it's not
> good mailing list etiquette to reply to very old threads.
>
> But you were nice and well intentioned, so I moderated this through.  Have
> a nice year too.
>
> -- Chad
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Duta Ksp <duta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> I am, Nyoman, a new bie from Bali, Indonesia.
>>
>> For me, nothing is wrong to have scaffold. Why?
>>
>> 1. By having the scaffold, I have a 'mirror' where I can see the flow of
>> how the framework is working.
>> 2. When I try to do the same manually, I can easily see my mistakes of
>> what made my app error.
>>
>> So now it depends on the peoples themselves. If they are serious to learn
>> and understand about the framework, then they will dig it into the deepest
>> possible.
>> If they want just to have a fun, then let they do it.
>> You know, sometimes, people will learn further because it the beginning
>> the framework gave him a good impression. Just like a man met good and
>> beautiful girl...heeeeeeeee..
>>
>> This is based on my personal learning experience, as what I am doing
>> right now.......
>>
>> I wish every one of us to have good time during this year and have good
>> learning of ROR...
>>
>> Good luck..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 9, 2012 at 1:30:39 AM UTC+7, Ryan Bigg wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello friends,
>>>
>>> It's been fun having the scaffold generator exist as a part of Rails
>>> since The Beginning Of Time, but I think its time is now up. It has been
>>> abused time and time again, and most often leads to confusion amongst
>>> people who are new to Rails.
>>>
>>> This confusion happens when a user first generates a scaffold and sees
>>> that it is good. They can perform CRUD actions on a resource using one
>>> command?! WOW!
>>>
>>> Then they try to modify the scaffold and run into problems. First of
>>> all: how do they add an action to the controller? Do they need to run
>>> another command? How do they then define a route for that action? A
>>> template?
>>>
>>> If they were to *not* use the scaffold generator from the beginning, I
>>> believe they would have less confusion. They would know how to add another
>>> action to the controller and a template for that action because this would
>>> be how they're doing it from the start. Learning how to define a route for
>>> a new action in the controller is something easily learnable by reading the
>>> routing guide.
>>>
>>> I think that we can fix this problem in one of two ways, the latter more
>>> extreme than the first one.
>>>
>>> The first way is that we *completely change the Getting Started Guide
>>> to simply *mention* the scaffold generator*, but then show people the
>>> "correct" way of generating a controller (rails g controller) and adding
>>> actions to it one by one, adding a model as its needed, and using similar
>>> practices to how you would do it in the "real world".
>>>
>>> The second way, and sorry if this sounds a little extreme, is to *completely
>>> remove the scaffold generator from the core of Rails* itself. This
>>> means that there wouldn't even be the option to run the scaffold generator
>>> for newbies. You could then extract this out into a gem if you *really*
>>> wanted people to have the option for it. However, if this path was taken it
>>> should be made clear that this is not the "sanctioned" way to create
>>> controllers.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
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