Yusuke: I don't know you. You don't know me. Why are you bothering me?
I read this list's messages because I'm interested in the technical
matters of Drools. Your personal grievances are not a business of
mine, and that's the way I'd like to keep it. Please try to understand
it at once.
Respect me and I will respect you.
On 01/09/2010, at 6:33, 山本 裕介 wrote:
Yes, it's already in progress. No joke.
On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Greg Barton wrote:
If you allege illegal actions, you'd better be prepared to take
that up in a court of law. No joke. If you think laws were
broken, get yourself a lawyer and pursue the matter in the proper
venue.
This is not the proper venue.
Now that you have alleged illegal behavior I will no longer discuss
this with you.
--- On Tue, 8/31/10, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> wrote:
From: 山本 裕介 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [rules-dev] [rules-users] copyright violation issue on
Drools
To: "Rules Dev List" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:41 PM
At the time of submission, I was not aware that Red Hat is a
company that commits illegal actions.
And now I'm "explicitly stating" that I do not wish to include my
work to the project.
On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Greg Barton wrote:
See http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
"5. Submission of Contributions. Unless You explicitly state
otherwise, any Contribution intentionally submitted for inclusion
in the Work by You to the Licensor shall be under the terms and
conditions of this License, without any additional terms or
conditions. Notwithstanding the above, nothing herein shall
supersede or modify the terms of any separate license agreement
you may have executed with Licensor regarding such Contributions."
Did you, at the time of submission, have a separate agreement? In
writing? Signed by all parties?
GreG
On Aug 31, 2010, at 20:50, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> wrote:
At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects
you were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has
determined that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute
your contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and
considers this matter closed.
Richard didn't explain that.
I didn't use Red Hat time to fix those bugs, translate message
resources. I believe that "I am/was a Red Hat employee" doesn't
matter. I'm not paid for the task.
"At the time the code was contributed in good faith under the
Apache license, you cannot then decide at a later date to change
your mind."
My understanding is that people just do not want to undone their
contributions usually. That is how OSS works.
Technically the copyright holder of translated message resources,
program codes is the originator.
I agreed to distribute my work under the ASL, but I didn't tell
that I willingly give away the copyright to the project.
Anybody who originates their work (i.e. the copyright holder)
should be able to decide the license at a later date.
Richard, any comment?
On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Michael Neale wrote:
So is the reason that there is a dispute over another copyright
holder? (ie these changes were copied in violation of that
copyright in the first place) - or a case of changing-minds
about rights to the commits of the original work? (if the latter
then close the issue - nothing can or should be done - as it is
a licencing issue then, not a copyright issue, and as Mark says
the licence doesn't permit that revoking).
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Mark Proctor <[email protected]
> wrote:
Yusuke,
At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects
you were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has
determined that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute
your contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and
considers this matter closed. If you have any further need to
discuss this please do so with Red Hat legal, - you have their
contact details.
Even if you were not a Red Hat employee, which you were at the
time, you cannot undo an OSS code contribution, that is not how
OSS licensing works. At the time the code was contributed in
good faith under the Apache license, you cannot then decide at a
later date to change your mind. The OSS licenses, be it ASL or
LGPL or GPL, are designed specifically to provide certainty in
that area. Without this level of certainty end user OSS adoption
would be a minefield as every time developers fall out, which
happens often, one could demand all their code be removed and
this would impact everyone who has invested time installing that
software in production systems.
Mark
On 31/08/2010 17:41, 山本 裕介 wrote:
I have consulted RH legal dept. only to get no meaningful
response.
I guess Edson is the one who commit most of these files.
The how and why they need to be uncommitted is attached to the
Jira issue.
Thanks,
Yusuke
On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
Hi Yusuke, good question. I'm not sure where is the right
place, but you are only asking to rollback your changes right?
who commit all your contributions to the jboss repo?
I also saw that you mention: "For several reasons, I decided
to withdraw those contributions introduced from my spare time. "
can you mention those reasons? so we, as community can learn
why you want to remove your contributions. I'm just curious.
Greetings.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, 山本 裕介
<[email protected]> wrote:
Where is the appropriate forum for copyright issues?
On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Greg Barton wrote:
> This is not the appropriate forum for copyrighgt issues.
>
> GreG
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:40, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There's a copyright violation issue on Drools 5.1 release.
> Please remove the changes listed in the following issue.
> https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660
>
> Thanks,
> Yusuke
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