Lol, yes you sort of hijacked the thread ;) We're going to be re-architecting guvnor over the coming months/years... get your requirements in now - email drools-dev (I've cc'ed) and we can try to accommodate... short-term community pull requests will be considered - you are still community for the time being ;)
sent on the move On 13 Mar 2012 23:05, "Mauricio Salatino" <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes.. I was thinking as a light way component, POJO based decoupled from > the rest of the WEB application that can be started without the need of a > servlet container.. But I think that we went off the topic completely :) > Cheers > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Michael Anstis <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Well, there is guvnor-repository that provides low level operations to >> (in theory) a Guvnor repository. However all our classes, integrity logic >> and means to expose it as an external service (ie REST, WebDav) are AFAIK >> in guvnor-webapp-core which you can't deploy outside of a container.... but >> this, in theory, could be split into different modules to provide better >> access. I am sure you appreciate exposing REST needs a container however >> WebDav might not. IDK. >> >> sent on the move >> >> On 13 Mar 2012 22:24, "Mauricio Salatino" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Michael, do you know if you can bootstrap the JCR container without a >>> container? I think that it should be possible.. to have like a repository >>> guvnor without all the UI. We should think about that option too right? >>> Cheers >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Michael Anstis < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I >>>> thought I'd respond too ;) >>>> >>>> 1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet >>>> container so Tomcat does the job just fine. >>>> >>>> 2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with >>>> the REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same >>>> issue. >>>> >>>> 3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter >>>> your assets across a file system you have the same issue. >>>> >>>> 4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution. >>>> Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point. >>>> >>>> I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance. >>>> >>>> Cheerio, >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> *Other cloud providers are available. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think you have very valid points. IMO just: >>>>> 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have >>>>> Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files >>>>> (service repo). >>>>> 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a >>>>> "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose >>>>> a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what >>>>> a >>>>> pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc. >>>>> 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service >>>>> repo, then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that >>>>> belong >>>>> to your repo..in the same environment that your users are >>>>> developing/modelling in..not very intuitive imo. >>>>> 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of >>>>> mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a >>>>> clustering >>>>> environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all >>>>> connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your >>>>> static files to akamai and call it a day :) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm >>>>> not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we >>>>> can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images, >>>>> some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want >>>>> to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all >>>>> the >>>>> required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we >>>>> will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the >>>>> possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if >>>>> we add that for all the other resources. >>>>> Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the >>>>> Guvnor limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that >>>>> for spring beans configs. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets >>>>>> that are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of >>>>>> Guvnor. I would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can >>>>>> specify the "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the >>>>>> community with all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean >>>>>> install >>>>>> which will build their local repo that they can expose on any public >>>>>> domain >>>>>> or server they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? >>>>>> Until now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define >>>>>> what is in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that >>>>>> functionality inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right? >>>>>> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely >>>>>> need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I would like to know the status of service task repository; >>>>>>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, >>>>>>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its >>>>>>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual >>>>>>> repo >>>>>>> doesn't have some new effort. >>>>>>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think >>>>>>> it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service >>>>>>> task >>>>>>> before to make it public. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Giovanni >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Giovanni Marigi >>>>>>> Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - >>>>>>> email: [email protected] >>>>>>> Mobile: +39 3423175986 <%2B39%203423175986> >>>>>>> Office: +39 0687502315 <%2B39%200687502315> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Red Hat Italy >>>>>>> Via Andrea Doria 41m >>>>>>> 00192 Roma - Italy >>>>>>> www.redhat.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment >>>>>>> before printing >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>>> >>>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> jbpm-dev mailing >>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>> >>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>> >>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>> >>> > > > -- > - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar > > - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - > >
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