and he notes -

The SD 7/9 offered no advantage as far as weight distribution, but 
did deliver much higher tractive effort for heavy freight use (or 
passenger service). Here are some statistics taken from this site:

http://www.geocities.com/guilford_350/emd.html

GP9 - Wt. 249,000 lbs or 28 tons per axle with 46,000 lbs TE
SD9 - Wt. 368,000 lbs or 30 tons per axle with 73,000 lbs TE

The SD24 offered only a modest increase in Tractive Effort (75,000 
lbs) but weighed more (376,000 lbs). It was essentially an SD9 with a 
turbocharger and its only advantage was that it operated more 
efficiently. Only four class A roads bought them: AT&SF, CB&Q, 
Southern and UP. (UP had more cabless than cab units - 30 A's and 45 Bs).

Clearly the SD series was meant for mainline service while ALCO's RSC 
series (6 axle) were meant for (but not limited to) lighter rail 
operations. Comparing an RS to an RSC:

RS3 - Wt. 245,000 lbs or 30 tons per axle with 52,000 lbs TE
RSC3 - Wt. 257,000 lbs or 21 tons per axle with the same TE

The difference is the A-1-A trucks. There weren't many built - only 
70 RSC2s and 19 RSC3s.

ALCOs RSD15 series did compete with GM's SD24 series but not as big a 
big seller. Comparing an SD24 to an RSD15:

SD24 - Wt. 376,000 lbs or 31 tons per axle with 75,000 lbs TE
RSC15 - Wt. 363,000 lbs or 30 tons per axle with 79,000 lbs TE

While the ALCO models offered higher tractive effort, GM had taken 
the lead in market share. In the 40s and early 50s, diesels replaced 
steam and horsepower (or builder) wasn't so much a consideration as 
economy. With increased labor costs, as well as per unit costs in 
post-Korean War years, railroads looked to efficiency and higher 
output, especially where bigger steam was being replaced. While ALCO 
offered higher tractive effort GM locos were easier to maintain and 
required fewer spare parts.

By the late 50s some bean counter figured out that three unit lashups 
cost less to operate than four and the real high output race began 
when diesels began replacing diesels.

Raleigh in Maine where its raining!



At 09:00 AM 10/20/2006, David Engle wrote:

>As I understood it, the SD-7 was introduced to spread out the weight of the
>engine so it could run on lighter branchline rail. Except maybe on the
>DM&IR, I don't think the concept of a bigger and heavier engine with more
>pulling axles and greater tractive effort came along until the SD-24, which
>was several years behind the competing models, including the (IF-ME)
>TrainMaster, and the (Alco DL-600) Alligator. Conjecture only.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "G. Elems" <<mailto:gelems%40sbcglobal.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <<mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:46 AM
>Subject: {S-Scale List} More SD7 thoughts
>
>I like this discussion about modeling the SD7. I was curious as to the size
>difference the SD7 presented to the GP7. It turns out the SD7 isn't really
>that much longer and the overall engine is smaller than the PA-1 and FM
>Trainmaster. The "too big" argument doesn't hold up IMO.


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