> So which one has the more gradual 
> bend over longer distance??
> Scott Huston, Las Vegas

Hi Scott.....

Golly, I figured someone living in Las Vegas would know all about curves.  But 
there are exceptions, I suppose.  (Bad joke, perhaps, but I couldn't resist.)

Y'might check out Message #69226 for the answer to Butch's question.  Some more 
elaboration would include the following:  Some turnouts, following American RR 
practices, have straight points and a straight section through the frog.  These 
two straight areas are connected with a curved closure rail.  When inspecting 
turnouts, you might find some with very l-o-n-g straight sections and, as a 
result, a shorter sharper curve.  Other turnouts will have short straight 
sections and somewhat more gradual curves.  TOMALCO TRACK and SHINOHARA and 
some other brands do follow the USA practices.

Other turnouts, following European practices, have curved points and the curve 
contines right up to the frog itself.  Thus, a much longer and more gradual 
curve is possible.  One example of this type is the Whiteoak Models turnouts 
which were made in England.  Unfortunately, these turnouts are no longer 
manufactured although a large HUGE order might be possible according to Kelvin 
White, the original financier of the project.

The Shinohara #6 is a really strange beast in a class all by itself.  You can 
research the archives of this List for more details, but the general overview 
is that it was an accidental oversight on the part of the dimension checker 
person and was made too short.  The distance between the throw rod and the frog 
is much shorter than the prototype although the frog angle is still a #6.  
Thus, the effective radius of the curved closure rail is much smaller than with 
other brands of #6 turnouts.  

Interestingly, some folks like the Shinohara #6 for use in yards and on 
portable modules since it is a spacing saving design even though not 
prototypically correct.  Smaller steam locos and most diesels seem to work just 
fine with the Shinohara #6.  But Butch was asking about large HUGE steam 
engines of the UP variety and so I felt obligated to point all this out to him. 
  He sold me a nice brass caboose years ago and I owe him a favor.

Note also that the Shinohara #8 turnout does not have the shortcomings of their 
#6.  All the various brands of #8 seem to work pretty well although each of us 
will have our favorites.

Hope this helps...Ed L.



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