Well, another question is if anyone ON THIS LIST would order a River Raisin 
U.S.R.A. 0-6-0 except that they have a deposit with Cryer Grey? Or if a series 
of posts here will cause John Botten to suddenly return people's deposits.

I very much want to see the RR 0-6-0, have no use for the Cryer Grey version. 
It's not clear to me that this hashing over the latter project is helpful to 
the former.

Pieter E. Roos


--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Scale S Only <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Ed --
> 
> I have no way of knowing the truthfullness of our
> conversations (John and
> myself), but according to him, Boo Rim got a huge package
> of materials in
> preparation for the project.   I know John
> spent a LOT of money getting the
> plans package together (I helped a bit) and it apparently
> overwhelmed Boo
> Rim who didn't want to make an exact model, but a useful
> one.   John
> indicated that Boo Rim got many thousand dollars for the
> preliminary work.
> If that is so, he was probably in the red from the
> beginning.
> 
> In the past I looked into sponsoring a run of brass cars
> with Overland
> Models.   Tom Marsh and I had some lengthy
> converstations about this, and
> the bottom line is that BIG money is involved that I didn't
> care to risk.
> I think John got himself into the same predicament many
> entrepreneurs do --
> not enough capital at the start to guarantee moving past
> the early stages
> and through the tough times.   I am also
> sure that other factors are
> involved, but they are more of a personality situation and
> don't merit
> speculation.
> 
> I doubt that deposit monies were ever placed in escrow
> (mistake #1).   I am
> fairly
> sure it was spent (mistake #2).
> 
> Do you have first hand knowledge there was NO contract (or
> contact)?   Could
> it be that negotiations never were concluded or that John's
> part of the
> contract was unfullfilled?
> 
> For Ron S. --
> 
> I have been unable to make contact with John for over a
> year.   Have you had
> any communications?
> 
> I am sure that Jim Kindraka, Dan Navarre and Jettie Padjett
> can write a book
> about this...
> 
> Have fun!
> Bill Winans
> Prescott Valley, AZ



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