Rick, David and all,
One variation that is not in the last Greenberg price guide I own, is item
number 24225, the Santa Fe hopper, unpainted. Even a well known seller of
AF on Ebay, didn't know about this version, when I learned about it at York,
this past April and I told him about it. He was very happy, because he had
a set with this hopper, and the set is a common set. The value for that set
just increased greatly since, his set has this variation in it, that
Greenberg doesn't point out.
My only disappointment with the TM book, is that it isn't updated each year,
as most serious collectables are. I.E., coins, stamps, etc.
At least the Greenberg guide was updated each year, basically with a new
cover, as prices haven't changed for many items in that guide, as the cost
of living goes up each year. I guess that is the reason for the increase in
the price of that guide, as the publisher had increase cost for his paper,
ink, shipping cost, payroll, (yearly raises to the staff, maybe) etc. Of
course, Bruce Greenberg is no longer involved with the Greenberg books, so
maybe he would of not let this happen to his AF guide. I don't know.
I am looking forward to getting a 2003 copy of the TM AF guidebook.
Thanks David for letting us know what was going on with it.
Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD
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From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:27 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TM Price Guide
> > I believe I have commented on this before, and never received
> much response.
> > I am no way connected with Greenberg, and I am not defending
> them, but..
> > I have the larger guide (with all the pics),...I also have the TM
> book,...what is sooooo wrong with their {Greenberg's}
> > prices and info?? I always hear Greenberg being knocked, but when
> I ask, I never get much back in return to re-inforce
> > their opinons! What am I missing??
> >
> > Thanks!!
> > Rick.
> >
>
> 1.) Its well known they are missing several easy variations on
> several items. Also some hard and rare variations they never listed
> at all. I didn't know what I was missing before I went to TM. I never
> realized how many rare items I passed at every show because
> Greenbergs simply didn't list them. Doing a quick comparison between
> the two guides, Greenberg vs TM you will find them fairly easily. I
> still have Greenbergs guides that are missing items that I wrote to
> them about years ago. This to me, and I would think any serious
> collector, is very important. Knowledge is power, and Greenbergs
> dropped the ball on this one.
>
> 2.)The larger Greenbergs books with the photos are nice, but they are
> getting old because they keep using the same old photo's, and the
> desctiptions were nausiatingly repetative. The cost is also getting
> prohibitive as they've split the book up into volumes now which would
> further increases my overall cost. I have an older Greenbergs
> hardback from the late 80's, and that is all I need for photo
> reference to see what load may have come on a car or to hopefully
> glean a bit of information about an item. But getting back to
> unreliable data, I've found that data even unreliable in some cases
> as they've pictured items incorrectly, or pictured incomplete items,
> or they've given too vauge a description, or an incorrect description
> to be of any use, especially to a novice. TM has photos of rarer and
> more sought after items in their pocket guide, and that seems to be
> of more help than the inaccuracies of more items in Greenbergs.
>
> 2.) I've rarely ever seen anything at a show outside of some really
> common items selling for Greenbergs prices, or even close. Typically,
> TM is closer to actual value received by a seller or paid by a buyer
> which ever way you want to look at it. In short, if I could get half
> of what Greenbergs lists at Greenbergs guide prices I'd be a really
> happy camper. One example was for years they had items like the
> 752/752A Coal Loader listed at $180 give or take a few bucks as they
> fluxuated a little, and I've never seen one for under the $290 range
> unless it was a rust glob. Typically at the time decent EX 752's were
> priced at around $500. In a nutshell, their guide values are not
> realistic in the real world, and therefore not helpful.
>
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