Roger, while I disagreed with you about clipper oil, I did promote your other products. If it pleases you to use oil, use oil. I never said to not use oil because of slippage. Cramolin Paste will also cause slippage if applied too heavily. They are both lubricants. I said that Cramolin Paste is a contact improving compound that significantly enhances the performance of your trains while protectively coating your rails and impeding the development of rust and lowering the electrical contact resistance at the surface. Oil does some of this and has other benefits, like attacking the material in traction tires and plastic wheels, promoting the decay of fiber materials in lock-ons, track trips and the like, and developing a gummy residue over the long term which promotes the attraction of dirt. Cramolin Paste does not have these features.
As to the challenge, I don't doubt in any way the pulling power of your mighty locos. I am, however, going to stick with something I have been using regularly with outrageous results since 1961; Cramolin Paste. You use the oil. Chris Zizzo Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dRrQ0huCHas2LHJGgOl2aw)" --Boundary_(ID_dRrQ0huCHas2LHJGgOl2aw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT IronHorse wrote: > This message is in response to Chris Zizzo's comments in regard Wahl > Clipper Oil. > If you aren't interested hit delete. But you might find it amusing > > Note to Moderator; The purpose of my reply is to help those having > track to > wheel pickup problems. Some knock my solution, but these people > haven't tried it. > So the challenge below is in fun, but I am also am serious about the > challenge. > Because if I am proved right, everyone will benefit by knowing they > can get products from > me that will solve most of there track to wheel problems. > I hope you don't delete this, It took a lot of time and thought to > put it together. > I am not trying to create a problem. My point is their are those that > say, Don't use a product, > and they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Because they > haven't tried it. > > Now, back to the subject; > > Now here is a chance for Chris to get thousands of dollars of AC > Gilbert, if he is right. > > I have 40 AC Gilbert locos in great shape and many freight cars and > passenger cars. > I will put up all of this in a bet. We are talking over $ 20,000 > worth of AC Gilbert items. > Chris has to put up his trains as well. > > The bet is. My trains (by AC Gilbert) can climb a steep grade and > crawl through switches after using The Wahl > Clipper oil. My loco will be hauling 5 lit Passenger cars. > Note; I will have to run my loco over the oil many times to set the > oil. > Chris has to come to my place to see it. He can send someone else if > he likes. > If anyone else want's to take the bet, come along. Better bring > your trains. :o) > In all fairness; I won the loco performance contest (In my category) > in the 1974 NASG convention with 2 locos. > > Chris Zizzo wrote: > >> Roger Hinds says: >> >The other item is Wahl Clipper oil. After using the above to >> clean your >> rails apply >> >this oil to keep your rail clean FOREVER. > > Used properly It will. > >> >> Aieeeeeeeee! It never ends. This list re-invents the wheel every >> 60 to 90 >> days. > > Because people there are those that didn't read the previous notices , > and therefore > asked for help on the subject. > >> Didn't we cover this in depth? I took 120 of you off this Wahl >> Clipper oil addiction. I thought forever. D'oh! >> >> Track cleaning: >> Isopropyl alcohol works on track that is just dirty. >> Track cleaners work as well. > >> >> The stuff Roger sells is not familiar to me, but if it cleans the >> track, buy >> it. > > See! he admits he never tried it. So he doesn't know about the > product even a little bit. > > I never said Whal Clipper is a cleaner. It is NOT a cleaner. It > PREVENTS the track > from getting dirty! My other products is for cleaning > >> >> BUT DON'T USE OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Chris never tried Whal Clipper oil. Yet he says He never used it > So He doesn't know if it works or not. He is making an uneducated > guess. > >> >> If the sections are loose, use soapy Brillo/SOS in the kitchen sink. > > > A lot of unnecessary messy work > >> >> DON'T USE STEELWOOL on a layout! > > Brillo/SOS IS Steel wool , with soap. > >> >> Finally, with a rag, wipe on Caig M260Cp Cramolin paste > > And what does this cost and how much effort is needed? > Clipper oil is $6.50 one drop for each side. How much cheaper and > > simple can it get and be extremely effective. > > By the way Chris, If the subject bothers you so much, Why didn't you > hit delete? I do it every day. > > Very important Note: My layout is the feature in my museum. They > MUST be able to run slow, > so my customers will view quality performance. Every day, several > times a day for 4 months in the > summer. They otherwise sit the rest of the year untouched. 8 Months > later I open the museum and > start them again. Without touching the track or wheels. > I am lazy, Very lazy. I don't like cleaning track and wheels. So I > got a product so I don't have to. > I get to work on other projects instead. > > Another item I just remembered; You can read about Wahl Clipper oil > in an April 1981 (I think) > of MRR or MRC magazine. They did an an article on this product in > depth. This is where I found about > Wahl Clipper oil. I could not run my museum without it. > > > -- > Roger Hinds > To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models > go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa > -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa --Boundary_(ID_dRrQ0huCHas2LHJGgOl2aw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <p>IronHorse wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>This message is in response to Chris Zizzo's comments in regard Wahl <br>Clipper Oil. <br> If you aren't interested hit delete. But you might find it amusing <p>Note to Moderator; The purpose of my reply is to help those having track to <br>wheel pickup problems. Some knock my solution, but these people haven't tried it. <br> So the challenge below is in fun, but I am also am serious about the challenge. <br>Because if I am proved right, everyone will benefit by knowing they can get products from <br>me that will solve most of there track to wheel problems. <br> I hope you don't delete this, It took a lot of time and thought to put it together. <br>I am not trying to create a problem. My point is their are those that say, Don't use a product, <br>and they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Because they haven't tried it. <p>Now, back to the subject; <p>Now here is a chance for Chris to get thousands of dollars of AC Gilbert, if he is right. <p>I have 40 AC Gilbert locos in great shape and many freight cars and passenger cars. <br> I will put up all of this in a bet. We are talking over $ 20,000 worth of AC Gilbert items. <br>Chris has to put up his trains as well. <p> The bet is. My trains (by AC Gilbert) can climb a steep grade and crawl through switches after using The Wahl <br>Clipper oil. My loco will be hauling 5 lit Passenger cars. <br> Note; I will have to run my loco over the oil many times to set the oil. <br>Chris has to come to my place to see it. He can send someone else if he likes. <br> If anyone else want's to take the bet, come along. Better bring your trains. :o) <br>In all fairness; I won the loco performance contest (In my category) in the 1974 NASG convention with 2 locos. <p>Chris Zizzo wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Roger Hinds says: <br>>The other item is Wahl Clipper oil. After using the above to clean your <br>rails apply <br>>this oil to keep your rail clean FOREVER.</blockquote> Used properly It will. <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br>Aieeeeeeeee! It never ends. This list re-invents the wheel every 60 to 90 <br>days.</blockquote> Because people there are those that didn't read the previous notices , and therefore <br>asked for help on the subject. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Didn't we cover this in depth? I took 120 of you off this Wahl <br>Clipper oil addiction. I thought forever. D'oh! <p>Track cleaning: <br>Isopropyl alcohol works on track that is just dirty. <br>Track cleaners work as well.</blockquote> <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br>The stuff Roger sells is not familiar to me, but if it cleans the track, buy <br>it.</blockquote> See! he admits he never tried it. So he doesn't know about the product even a little bit. <p>I never said Whal Clipper is a cleaner. It is NOT a cleaner. It PREVENTS the track <br>from getting dirty! My other products is for cleaning <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br>BUT DON'T USE OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</blockquote> Chris never tried Whal Clipper oil. Yet he says He never used it <br>So He doesn't know if it works or not. He is making an uneducated guess. <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br>If the sections are loose, use soapy Brillo/SOS in the kitchen sink.</blockquote> <p><br>A lot of unnecessary messy work <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br>DON'T USE STEELWOOL on a layout!</blockquote> Brillo/SOS <u>IS Steel wool</u> , with soap. <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br>Finally, with a rag, wipe on Caig M260Cp Cramolin paste</blockquote> And what does this cost and how much effort is needed? <br>Clipper oil is $6.50 one drop for each side. How much cheaper and <br>simple can it get and be extremely effective. <p> By the way Chris, If the subject bothers you so much, Why didn't you hit delete? I do it every day. <p>Very important Note: My layout is the feature in my museum. They MUST be able to run slow, <br>so my customers will view quality performance. Every day, several times a day for 4 months in the <br>summer. They otherwise sit the rest of the year untouched. 8 Months later I open the museum and <br>start them again. Without touching the track or wheels. <br> I am lazy, Very lazy. I don't like cleaning track and wheels. So I got a product so I don't have to. <br>I get to work on other projects instead. <p> Another item I just remembered; You can read about Wahl Clipper oil in an April 1981 (I think) <br>of MRR or MRC magazine. They did an an article on this product in depth. This is where I found about <br>Wahl Clipper oil. I could not run my museum without it. <br> <p>-- <br>Roger Hinds <br> To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models <br>go to; <a href="HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa";>HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa</a> <br> </blockquote> <p>-- <br>Roger Hinds <br> To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models <br>go to; <A HREF="HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa";>HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa</A> <br> </html> --Boundary_(ID_dRrQ0huCHas2LHJGgOl2aw)-- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
