Dominic your views on this issue are disgraceful! This was a deliberately orchestrated attack by the police on hundreds of mineworkers on strike for decent wages. You are just an apologist for the ANC government and its repressive machinery that has been violently attacking working class protests and strikes for several years. Have you forgotten the Andries Tatane murder? Your Marxist theory education has absolutely no relationship to your own lived politics. Lenin's "State and Revolution" that you so regularly circulate doesn't seem to influence you and your anti-working class perspective on this issue.
See the Al Jazeera report on the massacre and see just how wrong you are. But I doubt that you will change your view. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY22CdX_uOk <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY22CdX_uOk&feature=share> &feature=share From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SSN Forum] retributory violence Please see the film. The attackers were almost on top of them. If they had waited more than another second the police themselves were going to be "overwhelmed by lethal force". This is why the police are issued with weapons. It's for precisely this circumstance, and not for other circumstances where there are options. Let's get back to Swaziland. VC On 17 August 2012 10:54, gavtrevor <[email protected]> wrote: Comrade Fair point about the nature of this series of attacks. However one has to ponder the significance of these events regardless and the issues go much deeper than the confrontation we witnessed. The true character of this confrontation will probably be shown in due course but the scale of the tragedy and the actors that play a part to this kind of national drama expose many topical matters. Lethal force should be avoided and our police forces in Africa have to understand that often their actions appear as retributory violence. The South African Police can learn how to deal with these kind of confrontations without resorting to overwhelming lethal force. We all salute the fallen shop stewards and members of the Num. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dominic Tweedie <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [SSN Forum] Re:Who Runs The South African State. You are mistaken Cde Gavin. The attackers were lethally and unlawfully armed and they charged on our republic's police force, who themselves were lawfully armed and did what they are supposed to do, and are ordered to do, which is to use their arms to defend themselves. If you have not yet seen the film, please do look at it, and look at Google Images as well, under Lonmin. Nobody can be allowed to get up an army and charge on our police force with lethal weapons. Please also remember that the thugs, who are not "trade unionists", or "strikers" and may not even be "workers" in any real sense, had already killed two of our police members with impunity as well as killed numbers of NUM members and in particular NUM shop stewards. Also bear in mind that the police are organised as trade unionists in our country. This is enough on the subject of South Africa, comrades. This is the Swaziland Solidarity Network Forum. If you want to discuss South Africa, please find another forum to do so. VC On 17 August 2012 10:07, gavtrevor <[email protected]> wrote: This is a truly dreadful event that potentially negates the sense of National Working Class History and the unacceptable and persistent perception by elements the of South African Police that Workers are Enemies of the State and that all means necessary can be evoked to suppress them. Killing such a large number of Workers has to be a signal that the time has come for serious Soul Searching by the South African Elite's particularly with regard to the control of the state. 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