That's funny -- I just spent 5 days on holiday with my old friend Neil
Immerman, who won the Godel Prize in 1995 for proving NL = co-NL,.  I
don't think that he mentioned the P=NP thing once.  And then I get
back online and find that sage-devel is buzzing with it!

John

On Aug 11, 3:10 am, Bill Hart <goodwillh...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 10 Aug, 19:12, Nils Bruin <nbr...@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 10, 10:29 am, Bill Hart <goodwillh...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Just in case this is being missed here, a problem is by definition in
> > > NP only if it has been shown equivalent to one of the other NP-
> > > complete problems.
>
> > I assume that with "equivalent" you mean "polynomially equivalent".
>
> Yes, I screwed up the definition. Thanks for the correction.
>
>
>
> > With your definition, P subset NP implies P=NP.
>
> > I think it's more usual to define P and NP first, then prove that P is
> > a subset of NP and then prove that there actually are NP problems to
> > which any other NP problem can be reduced in polynomial time, and call
> > those problems NP-complete. A priori, there is plenty of room in NP
> > for non-NP-complete problems (should Deolalikar be right, any problem
> > in P would do).
>
> > Which makes me wonder: Is any problem in P also P-complete? Can any
> > polynomial problem be reduced to "solve x=0" in polynomial time?

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