I feel this is going nowhere... We should start with the assumption we all agree on something: we want the sage mailing list to be place where no one is bullied and where we can express our different point of views safely and with respect. I think we all want that whether we voted yes or no to the code of conduct itself. It is a sensitive matter because if we don't feel we have this, then it can affect our involvement into the project itself.
I think everyone's actions so far toward the code of conduct has been motivated by this goal, on both side. I don't know who wrote the code of conduct that was proposed and, honestly, I don't really care. It was maybe a mistake to do it this way and I agree that Vincent's proposal to work on it on a wiki is better. But I don't think they did it with bad intentions. And seeing how things are now, I understand they don't want to say anything and to defend themselves against being a conspiracy, a secret police or something. Rather than pointing fingers on how things should have been done, and why were they done this way... I think we should try to find a solution to our problem which is the goal I stated: the sage mailing list to be place where no one is bullied and where we can express our different point of views safely and with respect. (Of course, this will never be perfect, the idea is to make our best) Some of us thought a code of conduct will help to reach this goal and there was a big debate on the first thread about this very question. There was a vote and even though the legitimacy of the vote is contested, it still says something: there are a quite a bunch of people (a majority of the voters) who think things are not good enough the way they are and wanted a code of conduct. So now, in the spirit of a consensus, what should we do? Keeping the code of conduct as it is is not good, it divides the community and some people feel excluded and disagree with the process. Leaving things as they were is not good either, as some people expressed in a vote that they wanted a change and they might complain if the vote is ignored (and once again, it's because they feel sage would be a better and safer place with the code). For the same reason, voting again on the same question is not good, as whatever the result is, some people will feel excluded. Is it possible to find a compromise on which people are mostly ok? For example, I proposed to have some "guidelines" instead of an actual code. And Vincent proposed to work on a wiki to make a better text. Also, the process itself was an issue. To those who contest the vote: in what condition would you accept whatever the result is? What would you propose to do? I hope this helps, and please remind again that we all want the same thing. Cheers Viviane PS: to answer to Nathann specifically, your tone was indeed completely ok and you were answered with some contempt. 2014-11-26 18:32 GMT+01:00 Simon King <simon.k...@uni-jena.de>: > Hi Nathann, > > On 2014-11-26, Nathann Cohen <nathann.co...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Volker, Tom: > > > > Please consider the tone of my first email, and the tone of your answers. > > Please consider the "code of conduct" that was just voted. Can you see > why > > I may feel that you broke it clearly and cleanly at my expense ? If those > > rules are not only meant to apply to me, do you think the community > should > > react to that ? > > I think I did react to that. If I didn't then I hope you accept my > apology. > > Best regards, > Simon > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
