On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:46:29 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 11:34:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Hart wrote: >> >> I don't disagree. But none of that is realistic. >> >> I think $100k annual is more realistically the market rate. But then you >> get to be pushed around every day, have 9-5 working hours and deadlines. >> I've turned down offers to interview for such positions because I prefer >> the flexibility of academic work. >> >> There's no chance of tenure at any academic institution if you are >> employed as a software engineer. So that's unrealistic. >> > > I was a research programmer for a year at Utrecht University (on CGAL); > IMHO > it didn't hurt my tenure prospects (not that I have a tenure now, but I'm > still around in academia :-)) > And it was with 9-5 (and more) working hours and deadlines, and I was > pushed around quite a bit. >
Sorry to hear that. We don't push people around at my institution. > > >> And we are a mathematics dept. So hiring someone as a mathematics postdoc >> isn't going to get this job done. >> > > No, why? Are you serious? Are you yourself a tenured professor now? > Because a mathematics postdoc is expected to publish mathematics, not write software. This is part of the reason the ODK project has focused so much on software engineers. We need them, but mathematics postdocs have entirely different skill sets and aspirations. > > >> I do accept the premise that higher compensation might feasibly attract >> applicants. It's not possible though. It looks to me like the position may >> go unfilled. >> > > you have to re-package it as a postdoc; after all it's probably > publishable work, to get something working the way you want... > Umm what!? > > Or/and offer part-time and/or remore work. > We can't do that locally. I've asked. Bill. > > Dima > > >> Bill. >> >> On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:23:46 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 4:55:29 PM UTC+2, Bill Hart wrote: >>>> >>>> We have the money. We know what needs to be done. But we have zero >>>> applicants. There is a lack of talent, not a lack of money in some areas. >>>> >>> >>> You are looking for an expert in compilers / optimization who happens to >>> have a math graduate degree. Those obviously exist, the problem is that >>> that this is a valuable skillset. I'm guessing to the tune of $200k annual >>> if you work for one of the tech giants. Since you can't pay with stock >>> options that means either >>> >>> a) offer market rate (and 200k for one year only is less attractive than >>> 200k every year) >>> >>> b) offer flexibility (remote work etc.) >>> >>> c) offer a chance at tenure (long postdoc, prestigious institution, >>> famous adviser) >>> >>> Its basic economics: If you didn't get any applications then your >>> compensation is inadequate. >>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
