On Friday, June 3, 2016, Volker Braun <vbraun.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 5:41:59 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
>>
>>    X.list()
>> might very well return a tuple of four *mutable* 2x2 matrices.   Then
>> this X.tuple() is still very much mutable, and the original problem
>> has not been solved.    I guess that's my point.
>>
>
> But that has is totally orthogonal to the question whether list or tuple
> is the correct array return type for cached data.
>
> What returning tuples protects you from is the very easy-to-do mistake
>
> elements = GF(5).list()
> ... 100 lines later ....
> elements.append(x)    # you now broke Sage
>
> Now you should *also* only cache tuples of immutable matrices instead of
> tuples of mutable matrices, but that is another bug to be fixed in your
> hypothetical example.
>
> I'm fine with using elements() or whatever other gem the English language
> has to offer, but even if we stay with list() then I'd rather have it
> return tuples than mutable lists.
>
>


I too would be fine with deprecating the list method, since one already has
list(...), and adding another method such as elements() that returns a
tuple (or whatever) makes sense.


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