On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:34 PM Jeroen Demeyer <j.deme...@ugent.be> wrote:
>
> On 2018-07-30 18:31, Erik Bray wrote:
> > This is a bit far-out, but what if we just didn't show tracebacks at
> > all by default?
>
> Sorry to say, but that would be a horrible idea. Even if the tracebacks
> are completely useless for ordinary users, they allow developers to
> debug an issue when posted on a mailing list/asksage. I would avoid
> anything that makes it harder for users to get help from developers.
I agree but if you read the rest of my message you would see that I
also suggested making it very easy to obtain the actual traceback
(even including instruction for doing so with every error). That's no
harder--easier even--than what we already ask of users when give them
a path to the error log when Sage crashes on startup.
To be concrete, instead of seeing:
sage: 1 / 0
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ZeroDivisionError Traceback (most recent call last)
<ipython-input-10-b43c99900d8f> in <module>()
----> 1 Integer(1) / Integer(0)
/home/embray/src/sagemath/sage-python3/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sage/structure/element.pyx
in sage.structure.element.Element.__truediv__
(build/cythonized/sage/structure/element.c:13020)()
1729 cdef int cl = classify_elements(left, right)
1730 if HAVE_SAME_PARENT(cl):
-> 1731 return (<Element>left)._div_(right)
1732 if BOTH_ARE_ELEMENT(cl):
1733 return coercion_model.bin_op(left, right, truediv)
/home/embray/src/sagemath/sage-python3/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sage/rings/integer.pyx
in sage.rings.integer.Integer._div_
(build/cythonized/sage/rings/integer.c:13584)()
1952 """
1953 if mpz_sgn((<Integer>right).value) == 0:
-> 1954 raise ZeroDivisionError("rational division by zero")
1955 x = <Rational> Rational.__new__(Rational)
1956 mpq_div_zz(x.value, self.value, (<Integer>right).value)
ZeroDivisionError: rational division by zero
users would see:
sage: 1 / 0
ZeroDivisionError: rational division by zero (enter %tb to see the
full error traceback)
As William noted this is already roughly the behavior on SageNB, so I
would wager that it's not a "horrible idea".
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