I realise that;s what you want to do personally but I understand other use
pip to supplement sage’s collection of packages. William probably
wouldn’t be happy with a package manager that cannot pull packages.

Now, if we can just make sure that pip doesn’t need SSL for local install
but can still use it to pull packages that’s a win for everybody.

François
> On 7/04/2015, at 22:37, Volker Braun <vbraun.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, we want to install local tarballs.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 11:37:46 AM UTC+2, François wrote:
> It depends. To just use pip as a local installer it probably will work 
> fine. If you want to connect to the pip repository to install extra 
> python packages you’ll need SSL (and a relatively recent one too). 
> The pip repo just won’t let you connect without SSL. 
> 
> François 
> 
> > On 7/04/2015, at 20:58, Volker Braun <vbrau...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > I made http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/18131 to deal with this 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 10:56:41 AM UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: 
> > I took a quick look at the pip sources and I think the ssl dependency can 
> > be stubbed out relatively easily. Did anybody try this? Really we should 
> > push this upstream, pip ought to be usable without ssl. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 10:27:43 AM UTC+2, Thierry wrote: 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > this is a known issue : pip requires that Python is built with ssl, but 
> > openssl cannot be standard because of licensing, hence pip can only be 
> > used to install optional packages, see 
> > http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17368 for a discussion. 
> > 
> > The following should work if you do not have libssl-dev on your system: 
> > 
> > cd $SAGE_ROOT 
> > ./sage -i openssl 
> > ./sage -f python 
> > make 
> > ./sage -pip install optional_package 
> > 
> > Ciao, 
> > Thierry 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 06:37:52PM -0700, kcrisman wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Apparently pip requires SSL... I take it you don't have a system-wide 
> > > > openssl(-devel) installation? 
> > > > 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > I was indeed wondering whether that change would make any problems. Also 
> > > on 
> > > older installations?  (Namely, which OS X versions should we assume will 
> > > have this?  I honestly don't know.) 
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