On Feb 17, 2008 4:47 PM, dean moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Took me awhile to respond. Distractions. > > Last generated a few responses, replying to all under a new subject line > (last thread was getting clogged), in no particular order, > > > David Joyner: > > > Thanks for the cool gif! > > It would be great f you could post it to > > http://wiki.sagemath.org/pics > > (or it you tell me what to post, I will for you). > > Futzed around, logged in, but couldn't figure it how to post it. Attached. > It's easy to > modify the original source code at < https://www.sagenb.org/home/pub/1687/ > > & juggle > constant to make various relations. Thanks if you can post this, or tell me > how!
Done. It's at: http://wiki.sagemath.org/pics > > > mabshoff: > > > We want to channel traffic into two mailing lists: sage-support for > > everything that isn't an developer issue and sage-devel for developers > > issue. Many issues on sage-newbie didn't get the attention they needed > > because too few people were reading it. Your chances to get replies > > are much better on sage-support. > > I thought "sage newbie" no longer existed. Do correct me & all else if I > am confused. > > > Jason Grout: > > > This is great stuff! I think it's a perfect place to post it. > > > > We really ought to set up a library of wonderfully documented examples > > of how to use Sage, something like the Maple application center or the > > Mathematica Demonstrations project. The current list of notebooks > > Thanks. Glancing at the published notebooks, many are quickie solutions > (and not documented at all -- no top documentation saying "This program > differentiates polynomials; we use this logic ..." shuts off my brain) to > narrowly-focussed problems not of much interest to, say a high school / > college > student wanting to know, "What's this SAGE thing about? What's in it for > *me*?" > > Might be good to have separate sets of examples for varied grade levels. > Most > college kids are concerned about learning differentiation & integration, > solving > DE's, systems, engineering/science problems, -- not learning what a parabola > is > (though I've taught a few ...). > > Just an idea. > > > Dean, you mentioned the frustration of trying to learn a new system. > > Was there anything that we could have done to make it easier (sorry > > about the unanswered posts to sage-newbie; we all kind of dropped the > > ball with keeping up with so many different mailing lists). > > There's always that learning curve, shaking a fist at the computer, then the > "Aha!" > moments. Wish I had a good answer. Lots of good WELL-DOCUMENTED examples? > Then I can browse published worksheets, "Oh, this person did this thing at > least > related to what I'm looking at?" > > And maybe a place to post those *** well-documented examples *** for review, > "Here's a nifty workbook I did that illustrates the manifold uses of > spendiferous > functions," or maybe more importantly, "This worksheet illustrates how to > use > SAGE to do this not-easy-to-code thing?" (whatever), and someone reviews it, > "Yes, darn it, that is solid; let's post it for all under a name that makes > sense" (another problem with the published worksheets). > > Elsewhere observed, > > > ... it is not organized or searchable (I don't think) ... > > This needs work. Having played with SAGE a bit, I see it trying to go from > being a garage band to Led Zeppelin (well, that's overstating a bit), and > sometimes the old ideas need revamped. > > > Dean, I guess I should add that just last year, I was a newbie sage user > > as well. I felt how much people welcomed newcomers and cared about > > helping people get up to speed ... > > You guys / gals / whoever were pretty cool. When questions went unanswered > I > kind of figured, "Oh, we all live busy lives." I had the impression that > others wanted quickie answers -- those happen, but don't count on them > often. Can't one set a "welcome message" to all new users of a group to > make policies clear? > > Would love to do some development of whatever, examples, documentation, > wherever, a > worthwhile contribution, and doubtless I'm not alone. Some things could > perhaps be > more clear, "We need more good functionality in this small subset of > calculus," "The > spendiferous functions code is poorly documented, full of magic numbers & > obscure > logic & needs cleaned up" (whatever). > > Dean > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
