I've been reading the progress notes with interest and am happy that everything is proceeding according to plan. Thank you Austin for keeping us informed in such detail, I'm sure it is comforting to those who have invested in the project.
Richmorode seems to have taken a back seat on this forum although, while catching up on my GoaNet digests, I see it has appeared there. M&M are keeping the flag flying high... analyses of epic proportions on Saligao & Change... was read just now and still has to sink in... However, if you all truly believe that prayers are affecting the course of the monsoon rains, maybe we need to start storming heaven to affect the course of global climate change. Now that would be a really great use of prayers and we could all carry on living our lives exactly the way we want to without a care for the succeeding generations ;-) Kevin ps. are we directing prayers to (insh)Allah now? /ks On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 7:30 AM, ANNETTE D'SOUZA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi SaligaoNetters. > > Once again, we have Austin keeping us updated without us even having to > ask. Thanks Austin and.. > > Kudos to the entire "Team" - Committees, workers, painters, volunteers, > Saliganvkars. I think all know that we appreciate whatever is being done, > whether big jobs or small jobs. Every little thing counts in this race to > reach the goal. > > Austin, glad to note that good sense prevailed & I am sure all issues will > be ironed out with ease - dont forget you all have our prayers with you, > hence the swift working and action. > > And the monsoons?...Inshallah (God willing), they will hold out until the > Church is safe. > > God Bless you all. We will continue to pray.. that's the least we all can > do sitting in our respective niches around the world. > > Annette > > > >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:22:57 +0530 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: saligao-net@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [SALIGAONET] Re: Saligao Church Info >> >> Dear Saligaonkars/Saligaohetters, >> Just a wee bit of information for all of you who have been keeping up >> with the updates on the >> Church work... >> As I has said earlier, the huge crane came and we were on schedule of >> lifting and erecting the >> trusses for the Church roof. Till last night 7.30 pm only 16 of the 24 >> new steel trusses could be >> erected on top, as the removal of the old beams proved to be more time >> consuming then expected. Anyway the work should be finished by >> afternoon today after which everything else >> will hopefully all start moving faster. The3 fixing of the 'purlins' >> for the top and the bottom (where the sheets on top and the false >> ceiling below) will take another three days. We also hope to be able >> to simultaneously fix the roofing sheets from Monday. >> By the way for the info of all you guys, Mother Mary has been >> 'protecting' our church and though the pre monsoon showers are >> threatening to come down, with huge cloud cover like we had yesterday >> morning, somehow after anxious moments and prayers for our Mother's >> intercession, they sun comes out we work thanking God for His Mercies >> and remembering all you guys who must be praying. Nothing short of a >> miracle this, as yesterday Calangute got >> a heavy downpour, leaving the entire area covered with water. >> Its great to be a part of the team who come everyday and work, and >> without reservation I can >> say that I am proud to be associated with this work and with all these >> unsung "HERO'S". >> I salute all these boys, who in the scorching heat of the sun, work on >> top and below. EVERYONE HAS BEEN WORKING AS A TEAM AND THOUGH I DON'T >> WANT TO NAME ANYONE, I CANNOT LET THE CONTRIBUTION OF MR. DARRYL >> PEREIRA IN EVERY WAY GO UNMENTIONED. Jude and Vivian have finished all >> the fabrication and have worked tirelessly with a team of workers, to >> complete this job. Its not been easy on them....Manohar, >> the other fabrication guy and his team are still there and working on >> top of the roof...Arnold and >> his team of painters also have seen that the zinc epoxy paint and the >> top epoxy coat were painted in time before erection. There were >> several volunteers during the painting but I was really amazed to see >> one of our lady parishioners, Inacin Vaz, who came when required on >> all days and helped. My very special thanks to her. End of the day we >> had over 40 people working >> during the last 4 days. Mother Mary will definitely bless you all....!! >> By the way Annette, what you heard on the local grape wine about me >> having opted out of the >> work and project etc. could have become a reality, had better sense >> not prevailed then. I will not get into that discussion now, but let >> me assure you that I am no "quitter"...but may have >> taken this step if necessary, for the greater good and speeding-up of >> the work, if that was possible. As I had said before, in the heat of >> the moment, with pressure mounting on us and >> some uncalled-for comments, I may have just lost it...! Today in >> hindsight, I for one, believe that we have worked better from that >> point onwards and with purpose. More involvement of all >> concerned has made the job more transparent. Today, many have taken >> more interest in the >> work, and are not leaving it to only the work committee and the >> Fabrica. The personal involvement of Mr. Eric Cordeiro, in the last >> few days, has 'speed-ed' up the work and kept all to their work >> schedules. All differences and issues can be sorted out later. The >> covering of the church roof is our most urgent concern. >> Once again I will go on record and say that the present team of the >> Fabrica are a special lot and whatever one says about them and their >> contribution to the work would not be enough. >> John Machado and Napolean Coutinho work from morning 8 am till 10.30 >> pom ever day and >> manage everything with a smile. The other team members Cajetan and >> Eulalia are also working hard whenever they get time. Mother Mary will >> definitely shower them all with special blessings and Eternal rewards. >> Many from the 'Parish pastoral Council' are helping. Domnic Andrade >> has been there right from the start...Gordon Vaz has been keeping >> photo memories >> of the work. Can you guys imagine this , he has managed to get Carlos >> and me sitting together in one picture! >> Before I wind, let me also record my appreciation and deep gratitude >> to Fr. Carlisto Coelho, for all that he is doing for our Church. He >> has a long way to go and with his leadership qualities that he has >> displayed here, and the enthusiasm and energy he has (as displayed >> during the nine day fete after the novenas), I am sure he is headed >> for greater responsibilities. May Mother Mary intercede and God Bless >> him and guide him. >> It's almost time and I just received my first call at 6.15 am to start >> the day. the electrician who will be strapped to a chair and lifted to >> the cross atop out Church to change the Lights said he is ready. >> Please all you guys pray that the next few days remain dry and that no >> accidents and problems take place on site (church). >> I wind up with regards to one and all. May mother Mary bless you all.. >> >> AUSTIN DA GAMA >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Albert Desouza >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Dear Saligaonkars >> > I have seen lots of our saligaonkars supervising the work done in the >> > church >> > and taking active interest in the work. I need not mention anyone as >> > every >> > one can see them. Some of them have taken time of their active schedule >> > to >> > give their mite in the form of an active participation . Congrats. I >> > myself >> > was not able to be so activly involved even if I was in Saligao >> > Albert >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > To: saligao-net@googlegroups.com >> > Subject: [SALIGAONET] Saligao Church Info >> > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 09:29:52 +0000 >> > >> > >> > Hello Austin & all SaligaoNetters >> > >> > I am glad that Austin has given all the details in one go thereby >> > sticking >> > to the "transparency in all matters" as suggested during the meeting >> > held >> > earlier this year. For those who are not interested in the "engineering" >> > details, guess you can just skip through. I for one was most interested >> > (guess my brain works better with such things - "bolts & nuts", cranes, >> > trusses, rust proofing, etc. than with computers...Ashley, please note - >> > hey >> > hey!).. I am sure we have our fears allayed as to the progress of the >> > work >> > on the Church roof etc. and now will have to depend on Our Lady to >> > ensure that everything will be in good order before the rains begin & as >> > envisaged by the Committee & Renovation Team. Our prayers are with them. >> > >> > Austin, if by Saligao Posts you mean a few sentences appearing on >> > SaligaoNet >> > .. then I can assure you I do not believe all & I make my own >> > investigations >> > besides using my brains a little. There is also info to be obtained from >> > the Church Bulletin if one cares to read it. If you mean the various >> > comments & criticism flying around Saligao at this point in time or >> > should I >> > say since February 2009, then you are wrong again. If that was the case >> > I >> > would not have kept asking questions on this Net & from others directly >> > (hoping to get feedback from "those on the job" - as you can see I >> > succeeded) because the latest news I heard was that you, Austin, had >> > opted >> > out of the Team & the Project....how's that for the latest posts/news? >> > That >> > is our Saligao grapevine for you! >> > >> > As far as I can see, whatever the mistakes & booboos made before - all >> > this >> > should be set aside for now - we all have one goal and that is, to get >> > the >> > roof completed "well & in good time" & the top of the Church closed >> > before >> > the rains start. I "see" that as my goal but depend on others to achieve >> > it with their knowledge, expertise & of course their presence. Sorry for >> > hassling you but I now feel that goal as I envisaged, will be fulfilled >> > provided Our Lady hears our prayers & the rains start after the 5th of >> > June. >> > >> > Thanks again for the information - and yes I already knew that parts of >> > the >> > Church have already been completed etc. & the concern of some was that >> > the >> > trusses were too heavy for the labourers to get to the top but I >> > presumed >> > that cranes would be used. So all is well. >> > >> > I am sure all Saliganvkars have the same fears as you & the team have, & >> > we >> > join you in praying that everything is completed in time. All the best & >> > I >> > do appreciate the efforts of all concerned. >> > >> > Thanks & God Bless >> > >> > Annette >> >> HI Annette, >> >> Quick reply to your queries: >> >> 1. The church will surely be closed before the rains ....subject to >> >> the rain's arriving only in the first week of June as per experts. >> >> 2. Please do not believe everything you read on the Saligao Posts on >> >> the net. Here is the real reason that the work is taking so long. A >> >> lot..lot of fabrication work is being done and the trusses are so >> >> designed as to las a long long time. So also the treatment that is >> >> being done for the rain watter gutters which are on top of the walls >> >> of the church, is being done so carefully that we don't want problems >> >> of dampness and leakages from this. >> >> WE CANNOT WORK IN BIG GANGS ON TOP OF THE WALLS AND LOT OF >> >> RESTRICTIONS AND CONSTRAINS DUE TO SPACE. >> >> THE FABRICATION THAT IS PRESENTLY BEING DONE NEAR THE CHURCH WAS >> >> ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE IN THE INDUSTRIAL SHED AT PILERNE >> >> INDUSTRIAL ESTATE. Due to transperancy and to expediate the work it >> >> was partly shifted near the Church and is now being completed there. >> >> Besides this the steel has also been >> >> coated with two coats of 'RUST-OFF' by Sika and also coated with Zinc >> >> Rich Epoxy primer >> >> and a second coat of plain Epoxy paint from Berger. >> >> 3. Her is our schedule for the Church roof: >> >> ... On thursday 22nd we shall lift the trusses with the help of a >> >> crane and fis the trusses onto the baseplates which are already >> >> inplace on top. We hope to finish 12 trusses on thursday. >> >> ...the balance 12 trusses will also be lifted and place on top and >> >> whatever necessary welding >> >> and joining will be completed. >> >> besides this on the 23rd the carpenters will also be fixing the >> >> purlins and we shall be ready to cover one side of thechurch that day >> >> On the 24 we hope to get all the purlins in place and the real >> >> covering on the church roof >> >> will start taking place. >> >> 4. We should be able to cover the entire church within a week before >> >> the >> >> 29th. >> >> On the 30th we shall once again coat the rain water gutters on top >> >> with another coat of >> >> waterproofing chemical called 'Sika Topseal 107 H'. >> >> 5.All pressure on the gutters will be finally removed when we also >> >> cover the gutters with aluminium sheeting which we will do by the 1st >> >> of June. >> >> 6. We are expecting 'Valley Gutters' from Ondulione International, >> >> France and shall fix them when they arrive. Please be advised that >> >> when I say we, I mean the company personnel >> >> who are working for these companies. >> >> Please be advised that even though we had some problem along the way >> >> and are behind schedule, we are still in the "safe zone" as far as the >> >> rains are concerned. >> >> MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE THAT THE REAR PART OF THE CHURCH AS WELL AS >> >> THE SACRISTY AND THE CORRIDOR ON THE SIDE HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED >> >> AND READY. >> >> WE ALSO WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT EVERYONE WORKING ON THE CHURCH >> >> REPAIR WORKS ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO COMPLETE THE WORK BEFORE THE >> >> RAINS. Differences and agruements have taken place along the way but >> >> immedeate steps have been taken by all concerned to keep such matters >> >> and blamegames >> >> for later. Everyone is working with only one goal in mind and that is >> >> to cover the church before the mansoons. >> >> The Church repair teams appreciates the concerns of all saligaonetters >> >> and Parishoners and are doing their best to complete all relevant >> >> works before the rains. We Pray that Mother Mary blesses our efforts >> >> and hears your prayers.! >> >> >> >> I hope that I have been able to allay your fears and please do pray >> >> that we finish all the work in time. The best of schedules can go >> >> haywire for the smallest of reasons... >> > >> >> With regards to one and all >> > >> >> Austin Da Gama >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:12 PM, ANNETTE D'SOUZA >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hi SaligaoNetters >> >> > >> >> > Why dont we keep ourselves focused? On the subject! Whether it is >> >> > about >> >> > Saligao dying, or Richmonde Park in Saligao or the needs of the >> >> > village. >> >> > >> >> > Arent we getting a bit too personal here? Once before on this net we >> >> > had >> >> > personal comments made &, I & people like me were in the line of fire >> >> > - >> >> > the >> >> > subject was laptop. We put that to rest. >> >> > >> >> > Dilip rebuked us for comments made with regard to our public servants >> >> > (even >> >> > though the comments were factual & in general, no names) - he felt it >> >> > was in >> >> > poor taste.....well isnt it the same now? Comments are being made of >> >> > a >> >> > personal nature. Who is to know the bank balances of each, whether it >> >> > is >> >> > Alan, Ashley, Denis, Dilip, my self or the others, & why should we be >> >> > interested? We each work & strive to do our best for ourselves & our >> >> > families & for some of us we extend that to others around us more >> >> > deserving, >> >> > so only we would know whether we can afford 10 or 90 lakhs & whether >> >> > we >> >> > want >> >> > to spend that, it is nobody else's business. We are just being >> >> > cautioned >> >> > as >> >> > to what we would be getting into (vis-a-vis Richmonde Park) since >> >> > those >> >> > who >> >> > are there in Saligao itself would know better. This batting at each >> >> > other >> >> > about working hard or hardly is not going to benefit anybody. >> >> > >> >> > We all have views & opinions & I am sure we can air them on this >> >> > forum >> >> > sans >> >> > personal comments. >> >> > Just for the record, I'm not for or against anybody, the above is my >> >> > opinion >> >> > & each of us is entitled to one, arent we? >> >> > >> >> > Ta ra >> >> > Annette >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On a different note, some of us are more concerned about the church >> >> > roof >> >> > due to the imminent monsoons. Austin, do you have time again to tell >> >> > us >> >> > whether the church will be closed up with the structural work & >> >> > roofing >> >> > completed within the next 10 days. ....read that monsoons are >> >> > expected >> >> > in >> >> > the next 10 days. >> >> > >> >> > Correct me if I am wrong but I heard that we have problems with >> >> > getting >> >> > enough labour. Is there a shortage of the same? I know that Mr. Joe >> >> > Fernandes son (dont know which one) had the St. Anne's Chapel work >> >> > done >> >> > well >> >> > with the help of a contractor hired to do the job. Fiona used the >> >> > word >> >> > "posh" so Congrats to Fernandes. Perhaps, as a Saliganvkar, he would >> >> > be >> >> > willing to help get the same labour to finish the Church roof & close >> >> > up >> >> > before the rains start. Maybe we could ask him? Just a thought! I for >> >> > one >> >> > wouldnt want the interior of the Church & the statues & altars, etc. >> >> > damaged >> >> > by rain, it would be a tragedy! Hence my thought & suggestion. >> >> > >> >> > I am not in this field & dont have much knowledge, but Austin I think >> >> > you >> >> > would be in a position to >> >> > check with the Church Renovation Team and Church Committee if it is >> >> > feasible >> >> > as our goal is one - close up the Church before the water falls. >> >> > >> >> > Have a good day, though a hot one! >> >> > >> >> > Annette >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Subject: [SALIGAONET] Re: Is saligao dying? >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > eed to pray hard now, besides working hard of course. > To: >> >> > saligao-net@googlegroups.com >> >> >> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:04:20 +0530 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi alan >> >> >> there are so many things that are running through my mind right now. >> >> >> however lets talk about my emotions for a minute. right now it is >> >> >> one >> >> >> of >> >> >> sadness, sadness because a son of saligao might no longer be >> >> >> considered >> >> >> a true son of saligao. I'm also filled with anger because of the >> >> >> blind >> >> >> thinking of people around who are mixing up development and change >> >> >> with >> >> >> investment and blame game on others. >> >> >> >> >> >> now in reply to your mail. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 06:44 +0000, Alan Fernandes wrote: >> >> >> > I fully agree with Dilip's reasoning that we need investments in >> >> >> > Saligao and Goa just like everywhere else. After all, companies >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > not going to invest where there is no returns on their investments >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > specially if they have the locals hindering their plans. I just >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh yes, if you were in goa for 3 months now, have you heard of >> >> >> something >> >> >> called the regional plan? or have u heard of how so many villages in >> >> >> south goa, (and now north also) are getting up and opposing mega >> >> >> projects like these that are full of corruption and making more and >> >> >> more >> >> >> of a mess? >> >> >> >> >> >> > got back from a 3 months vacation in Goa and I can see the change. >> >> >> > I see people who have been in Goa all their life are buying 10, >> >> >> > 20, >> >> >> > 30 >> >> >> > lakhs houses. Not only that, they >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes people who are involved in the mafia here (drugs, property, sex) >> >> >> or >> >> >> even people who have inherited their rich fortunes from their >> >> >> forefathers maybee?? how many can u actually say have got that money >> >> >> honestly??? >> >> >> >> >> >> > even spend an equal amount to increase the value. So if people in >> >> >> > Goa can invest so much, how come people like Ashley and M&M are >> >> >> > finding it hard to make a decent living. Either you are not >> >> >> > working >> >> >> > hard enough or not getting paid enough for the hard work you are >> >> >> > putting in. >> >> >> >> >> >> Is this a weak character assassination attempt??? people like mario >> >> >> and >> >> >> me not working hard enough????? your kidding right? i can't believe >> >> >> that >> >> >> someone has the guts to say something like "oh! I worked hard, i got >> >> >> it, >> >> >> u didint work hard enough, sorry dude, i get to enjoy and you get to >> >> >> continue to slog for the rest of your life while i sit back and >> >> >> gloat" >> >> >> >> >> >> i know some people who slog 12 hours a day and earn just 100 rs in >> >> >> mumbai.... are u sneering at them? >> >> >> >> >> >> this is nothing but communist philosophy and something that >> >> >> transcends >> >> >> the limits of reasonable thinking. it also goes to show that people >> >> >> no >> >> >> longer show gratitude at dignity of labour. apparently u measure >> >> >> dignity >> >> >> by the way people bring in money. >> >> >> >> >> >> > individual who want to start a business knowing the communidade >> >> >> > has >> >> >> > plenty of land in >> >> >> > Saligao. I know there will be a few Saligaokars who might just >> >> >> > come >> >> >> > back to Goa if they can get some kind of land agreement with the >> >> >> > communidade to start some industries or businesses in Saligao. I >> >> >> > know >> >> >> > I would. >> >> >> >> >> >> You would heh? than why not INVEST in saligvao and buy a little bit >> >> >> of >> >> >> land and come back and prove that ur still a niz saligaokar. if you >> >> >> say >> >> >> you expats have he money and we shd follow development, why not >> >> >> development from our own saligaokars who are willing to invest or >> >> >> are u >> >> >> still waiting for our communidade to gift you a piece of land for >> >> >> which >> >> >> you will pay a paltry rent or even claim as yours if you are a >> >> >> member? >> >> >> >> >> >> > An ideal way to address your concerns would be to approach the >> >> >> > courts >> >> >> > and show the courts that the local government is taking the people >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > a ride. I know money is >> >> >> >> >> >> seems like you don read the papers in 3 months that you are in goa. >> >> >> if >> >> >> you do, u will realise that court cases are pending by so many >> >> >> against >> >> >> the govt. corruption has become a way of life which people are >> >> >> fighting >> >> >> against. and also that court cases are of no help when peple flout >> >> >> all >> >> >> rules and still go ahead with projects and keep cases pending that >> >> >> that >> >> >> 20-30 years... welcome to goa alan :-P >> >> >> >> >> >> > needed, so ask for contributions and see how many people respond. >> >> >> > Then we know how many people share your views depending on the >> >> >> > donations you received. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have been asking your contributions !. "Put your money where your >> >> >> mouth is". Oh i'm sorry maybee we should spell it out for you. >> >> >> an appeal " please do help saligao" we need your generous >> >> >> contribution, >> >> >> what we need right now is proper roads, proper playground which >> >> >> austi >> >> >> has been fighting for a long time to get going. we need help for >> >> >> church >> >> >> repairs.. anyone!! help!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I am tired of reading about how people in Goa are complaining >> >> >> > about >> >> >> > outsiders coming to Goa and changing Goa. I don't see a problem, >> >> >> > as >> >> >> > change is good. The world is changing and Goa is also a part of >> >> >> > this >> >> >> > transition. We cannot blame builders for trying >> >> >> >> >> >> agreed change is good, as long it is within the moral and legal >> >> >> values >> >> >> of our society. >> >> >> >> >> >> > to bring in development in our villages. We shouldn't say that we >> >> >> > need to ban any non-Goans from buying land in Goa. It is >> >> >> > definitely >> >> >> > within the constitution that gives any Indian the right to buy >> >> >> > land >> >> >> > and settle anywhere he wants. Who are we to stop any went to >> >> >> > Africa >> >> >> > and the middle east to make a living for their families. >> >> >> >> >> >> we are noone to stop anyone from buying land, it is in the >> >> >> constitution >> >> >> AND also in the churchs teaching that ALL men have a right to >> >> >> immigrate, >> >> >> and Emigrate to anywhere he likes --- as long as he does not cross >> >> >> the >> >> >> limit of moral and legal values. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Why can't any body whether he is a Goan or non-Goan who has worked >> >> >> > hard be allowed to buy a 90 lakhs flat in Saligao. Just because >> >> >> > Ashley cannot make half that amount in >> >> >> >> >> >> 2 words "morally wrong" >> >> >> >> >> >> for many reasons that mario has explained before in his mail, maybee >> >> >> i >> >> >> should repeat them for you again to read >> >> >> 1) Because of its exhorbitant price range and its elitist >> >> >> lifestyle it is not a project that solves the housing needs of >> >> >> local people. >> >> >> 2) It is purely a business venture built with national and >> >> >> international capital that is using Goa to launder black money. >> >> >> 3) Its location (i ahve confirmed this via telephone from a >> >> >> neighbour >> >> >> around that place) is almost 70% in the paddy fields. what is mostly >> >> >> cultivation land and not settlement land. i'll get this officially >> >> >> confirmed when i'm back and will check out the survey numbers. might >> >> >> be >> >> >> a little late so can anyone help me out? >> >> >> 4) Most profits of the investment will vanish out of Goa (and hence >> >> >> saligao) to >> >> >> Mumbai and London. >> >> >> 5) And lastly we urge you to boycott Richmonde Park because they >> >> >> have stooped to the sewer to peddle their project worldwide, via >> >> >> their website. It is not even good advertising with its classy >> >> >> and subtle lying. This is blatant lying, prostituting Saligao >> >> >> and Goa in the cheapest and most vulgar ways. >> >> >> >> >> >> oh and i'll add another point wich we had mentioned before - water >> >> >> ad >> >> >> electricity problems >> >> >> >> >> >> so all in all YOU have been given 6 points. >> >> >> >> >> >> once again i say 2 words "morally wrong" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > his life time, doesn't mean people shouldn't buy what they want >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > at the price they want. I know a few people that have worked so >> >> >> > hard >> >> >> > for their money, so why shouldn't they be allowed to buy what they >> >> >> > want, as long as they do it legally. Another way would >> >> >> >> >> >> they can buy what they want, but they ahve to be educated that what >> >> >> they >> >> >> plan on buying is "morally wrong" and also might not be legal. >> >> >> >> >> >> > be is to have a referendum in the village like people having a >> >> >> > veto >> >> >> > power on all decisions taken on projects over 100 lakhs. >> >> >> >> >> >> so ur trying to change the govt law now. hahaha man you ahve an >> >> >> imagination, u should come here ad join the local politicians, i >> >> >> wont >> >> >> promise i'll vote for you but i promise to try and campaign a bit >> >> >> :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> > If people in Goa are so much against development, how will they be >> >> >> > ready for the future. Let the builders come and let them build >> >> >> > buildings and industries. Don't hold them responsible because Goa >> >> >> > is >> >> >> > changing and Saligao will never be the same again. >> >> >> >> >> >> Define "development" >> >> >> in saligao, it should include 1) satisfy local housing needs 2) >> >> >> solve >> >> >> current problems before attempting other projects 3) not destroy >> >> >> nature >> >> >> and ecology and 4) be on a reasonable scale keeping all interests at >> >> >> heart. >> >> >> >> >> >> i cant see much satisfied here. >> >> >> >> >> >> > The important thing is the builders abide by the laws set by the >> >> >> > panchayat, >> >> >> >> >> >> thats right, come to goa.. see who does, come see the saligao >> >> >> spring. >> >> >> >> >> >> > municipalities and elected public servants. Go after the >> >> >> > government >> >> >> > in case there is no proper infrastructure (adequate sewer system >> >> >> > or >> >> >> > no proper roads), not the >> >> >> who says we are not???? you were here in goa for 3 months and u >> >> >> didnt >> >> >> read about it?? >> >> >> >> >> >> > builders. It is good that the builders are changing the face of >> >> >> > Goa >> >> >> > or Saligao. What >> >> >> Oh my god, here is one person who doesn't want............. i'm >> >> >> speechless. >> >> >> >> >> >> > would be the state of Goa and Saligao if there was no change from >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > good old Portuguese days. Remember the roads, the electricity we >> >> >> > had. >> >> >> > Change brings development and development brings prosperity. >> >> >> agreed, but in a reasonable and / moral / ethical / legal way >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > We don't need people who are just not ready for change. If someone >> >> >> > has not made it to buy a 90 lakhs flat, its time they woke up and >> >> >> > got >> >> >> > started. >> >> >> >> >> >> well that effectivly elimates about 99% of the people of this >> >> >> world... >> >> >> OUCH >> >> >> >> >> >> > happen if change was not the deciding factor. We don't need >> >> >> > another >> >> >> > Rajan Narayan here who is negative about everything that goes on. >> >> >> >> >> >> No comments about this except maybe from another journalist? >> >> >> >> >> >> > P.S. Ashley on a personal note – living in Goa, you can never make >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > jump start. That is why our forefathers went abroad to Africa and >> >> >> > the middle east, unless you have a rich family or a family who has >> >> >> > business and it is passed on from generation to generation. >> >> >> >> >> >> So you are making it personal heh?? very well, on a personal note >> >> >> let >> >> >> me >> >> >> explain to you in case u ahve not read my previous mail that i am >> >> >> very >> >> >> patriotic. i believe i can make a change from the grassroot level by >> >> >> living and working here in goa. unlike a certain few who believe >> >> >> only >> >> >> in >> >> >> wealth and fame, i believe in job satisfaction, a well rounded >> >> >> social >> >> >> life and a community person at the fullest. >> >> >> >> >> >> you did not answer any of my questions i ahd posed earlier.. and i'm >> >> >> asking them again >> >> >> 1) to most of the saligao left expats - do u have job satisfaction >> >> >> and >> >> >> a >> >> >> > social life that helps your community? (note: attending a kids >> >> >> > event >> >> >> is not >> >> >> > considered a community social building activity here) >> >> >> 2) are you at peace with yourself knowing that everything is taken >> >> >> cae >> >> >> of, that you have people who care for you OTHER that you immediate >> >> >> family? >> >> >> 3) i repeat as i ahve stated before in a previous mail. why not put >> >> >> your money >> >> >> > where your mouth is and do something of u feel it is right? >> >> >> 4) show me HOW richmonde park is going to benifit sailgao , (other >> >> >> than >> >> >> provide homes to rich expats like denis and you maybee :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> and lastly, can u live with the fact that u have just told me to >> >> >> stop >> >> >> my own business here, leave the 3 people i employ in the dumps, >> >> >> leave >> >> >> so >> >> >> many customers helpless because i ahve left them in the lurch, just >> >> >> leave my house and property here to rot so that someone can come and >> >> >> steal and do something.. leave my family who i need to care for >> >> >> behind...... oh god.. the list is never ending..... >> >> >> >> >> >> so maybe i should listen to alan now and stop listening to my >> >> >> conscience. >> >> >> >> >> >> before you hit reply, PLEASE THINK about what i ahve written here, >> >> >> GET >> >> >> REAL. sit in our shoes. >> >> >> >> >> >> i'm sorry if i have hurt you above, sometimes i let my passion get >> >> >> the >> >> >> better of me. >> >> >> in solidarity >> >> >> Ash >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Beth Shalom" >> >> >> Abreovaddo, Saligao >> >> >> Bardez, Goa. 403511 >> >> >> Ph: 2409544 / 9823118321 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> </html >> > > >> > >> >> > > -- http://2008goanconvention.com http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/ecp/content/goans.html --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ This message comes via the Google Groups "Saligao-Net" group. 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