At 07:14 PM 12/21/2002 -0600, Joe Byrne wrote:
That's one way of looking at the analogy. But giving it a little more thought, that analogy can be extrapolated to:I think the best analogy I've ever heard with these list is a kin to someone going into a building with a sub machine gun, shooting everyone in sight, then claiming its THEIR fault for not wearing bullet-proof vests.Why should these people have the "right" to determine what is spam and what is not? I agree that Spam has gotten way out of control, but for these people to do a dummy relay through my server to see if I'm "compliant" to their rules is asinine. Self proclaimed cops of any kind have NEVER been in the best interests of anyone they pretend to help.
Someone goes into a building (the Internet) with a sub machine gun (open relay tester) shooting everyone (potential spammers) in sight. The bullet-proof vest manufacturers (hosting providers) claim their bullet-proof vests (e-mail servers) are 100% safe and effective (secured). However, when the smoke settles and a good number of these manufacturers' vests are in shreds (e-mail successfully relayed through their "secured" servers), they piss and moan how the test was not fair.
What this tells me is that the manufacturers (providers) should have done some better testing (secured their servers) before unleashing a shitty vest (e-mail server) on the public (Internet). If your (the proverbial you) server is not secured against open relays, then keep your crap off my network.
Give a bunch of cops crappy bullet-proof vests and see if the manufacturer doesn't get blacklisted or worse.
What gives the list maintainers the right to determine what is or is not spam is simple - subscribers. If the lists were useless, no one would use them. If no one is using them, there would be no need maintain them. That they are being maintained and more and more are cropping up should say two things - people use them and they use them because they are tired of spam.
-Jeff
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