That may work - there are a couple of possible problems that I can see. For example - if you have a store that is shared with a number of servers and the sequence information is shared for all those servers, having an independent lock manager would have to be able to cope with negotiating with all those servers.
The second possible problem is that even with the independent lock manager - depending on the DB and the isolation levels etc, it is possible for lock manager to grant a lock, but the DB to fail because it has a table locked, or a row locked. This is why I was interested in what happens when running with multiple sequences and using the jdbc store as it could suffer from that sort of problem. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic - perhaps it will all just work :) Andrew Gatford Technical Project Lead Websphere ESB Foundation Technologies Hursley MP211 IBM United Kingdom Laboratories, Hursley Park, Winchester, SO21 2JN Telephone : Internal (7) 245743 External 01962 815743 Internet : [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Thomas McKiernan/UK/[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew K Gatford/UK/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Amila Suriarachchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: 24/10/2008 11:36 Subject: Re: Sandesha2 synchronization and dead lock handling. How about a lock manager impl independent of any particular store's impl. It could be abstract if necessary. Basically, this has a hierarchy of classes (beans) hard coded. If you use a store to access a bean then the store impl's tran calls into the independent lock manager. Any attempt to enlist outside of the locking hierarchy results in a hard runtime error and a rollback of the tran. Is this too naive? ---------------------------------- Thomas McKiernan WebSphere Messaging Development, IBM United Kingdom Limited Internal Phone: 248241 External Phone: +44 (0)1962 818241 Mobile: +44 (0)789 1737497 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail Point 211, IBM, Hursley Park, Winchester, Hampshire, England, SO21 2JN Caminante, no hay camino Se hace camino al andar. ("Walker, there is no path; the path is made by walking.") Antonio Machado From: Andrew K Gatford/UK/[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Amila Suriarachchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: 24/10/2008 11:07 Subject: Re: Sandesha2 synchronization and dead lock handling. I went through similar pain when implementing a StorageManager and encountered a number of deadlocks similar to the ones that you describe. What I have gradually done is eliminate these in both the InMemory store and my store by changing the ordering the beans were taken in. In general the beans are taken in this order. RMSBean or RMDBean followed by SenderBean or InvokerBean. In cases where both the RMSBean and RMDBean are locked, they tend to be taken in that order - RMS followed by RMD. The one thing that I do know is that it is fairly easy to introduce new deadlocks by slightly altering the order that beans are read. The one question I have is how does the jdbc store handle multiple threads accessing multiple sequences, or even a single sequence, but with multiple threads sending multiple requests. From my experience this is where we have found a lot of problems in the InMemory store and I expect to be even more painful with a jdbc store. Andrew Gatford Technical Project Lead Websphere ESB Foundation Technologies Hursley MP211 IBM United Kingdom Laboratories, Hursley Park, Winchester, SO21 2JN Telephone : Internal (7) 245743 External 01962 815743 Internet : [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Amila Suriarachchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: 24/10/2008 10:30 Subject: Sandesha2 synchronization and dead lock handling. hi all, This is regarding the issue [1]. First of all as I learned Sandesha2 uses different beans to keep the state of the sequence and the messages. In a dual channel mode different threads can access these beans and update them concurrently. So the synchronization of these beans done by using the storage level transactions. Therefore Sandesha2 needs an storage which supports isolated transactions. To synchronize these beans the transactions must be completely isolated. i.e It should not allow simultaneous reads of same record from different transactions. Therefore I think the problem I saw on[1] because not isolating the transactions properly. Then I increased the transaction isolation to fix the above problem. It fixed that problem but results in dead locks. The reason I believe for this dead locks is that different transactions try to access the data base tables in different order. But unfortunately I could not fix the issue. Normally these types of dead locks are prevented by accessing resources in same order. Does Sandesha2 follows such a order or any other technique? Or is there any other reason for this dead locks and synchronization problems? Can someone have a better idea of Sandesha2 Design shed some light on this? thanks, Amila. [1] http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SANDESHA2-179 -- Amila Suriarachchi WSO2 Inc. blog: http://amilachinthaka.blogspot.com/ Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. 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