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1. Re: On sudhaapaayam & nirjaraavaasam (Ambujam Raman)
2. Budha name (Girish Sharma)
3. Re: Budha name (peekayar)
4. Re: Budha name (peekayar)
5. On sudhaapaayam & nirjaraavaasam (Jay Vaidya)
6. Re: Budha name (Ambujam Raman)
7. Re: On sudhaapaayam & nirjaraavaasam (Ambujam Raman)
8. Is nirapAyam an avyayIbhAva? If so, harder to make anvaya.
(Jay Vaidya)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:54:44 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] On sudhaapaayam & nirjaraavaasam
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ARSji:
Could you kindly give references to the Panini Sutras relating to your
discussion?
The 'Namulanta' (aM affix) as I understand is equivalent to the 'tvA' affix
which is a gerund (adverbial indeclinable participle). W.D. Whitney
(Sanskri Grammar) commenting on its rarity of use states " in the epics it
is extremely infrequent; later,also, it occurs very sparingly" (p 360). In
accordance with that
sudhApAyaM would mean 'having drunk nectar'. I rewrite the anvaya as:
jahnuje! ye tava payaH pibanti
te narAH nirapAyaM sudhApAyaM bhuvi nirjarAvAsaM vasanti ||
Oh Ganga! Who drink your water, those men free of danger having drunk nectar
on the earth inhabit God's abode. (Here I have considered nirjarAvAsaM as a
dvitiiya giving the benefit of the doubt to parasmai pada 'vas' as otherwise
as a Namulanta it would mean 'having inhabited God's abode', an awkward
construction!)
Raman
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:00:19 -0700
From: "Girish Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Budha name
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What does trida"saadhipa refer to in one of the 108 names of Budha
(Mercury)?
Trida"saadhipapuujita, the One who is worshipped by thirty kings (or by
the Lord of thirty).
Thank you.
Girish Sharma
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Budha name
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Trida"saadhipapuujita -
it could be tridashaadhipapuujita (ITrans)
tridashaaH = devaaH (amaraa nirjaraa devaaH -
amarakoshaH)
tridashaadhipaH = lord of devas = indraH
indrapujitaH = worshipped by Indra.
P.K.Ramakrishnan
Girish Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What does trida"saadhipa refer to in one of the 108 names of Budha (Mercury)?
Trida"saadhipapuujita, the One who is worshipped by thirty kings (or by the Lord of
thirty).
Thank you.
Girish Sharma
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
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tridashaa - sorry -the full quotation is
amaraa nirjaraa devaaH
tridashaa vibudhaas suraaH
peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Trida"saadhipapuujita -
it could be tridashaadhipapuujita (ITrans)
tridashaaH = devaaH (amaraa nirjaraa devaaH -
amarakoshaH)
tridashaadhipaH = lord of devas = indraH
indrapujitaH = worshipped by Indra.
P.K.Ramakrishnan
Girish Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What does trida"saadhipa refer to in one of the 108 names of Budha (Mercury)?
Trida"saadhipapuujita, the One who is worshipped by thirty kings (or by the Lord of
thirty).
Thank you.
Girish Sharma
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:29:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] On sudhaapaayam & nirjaraavaasam
To: Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "A. R. Srikrishnan"
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I would agree approximately with AR gazh, with small
changes:
> jahnuje! ye tava *nirapAyaM* payaH pibanti
> te narAH sudhApAyaM bhuvi nirjarAvAsaM
> vasanti ||
The change I have made (in **) relates to "nirapAyam"
being napuMsaka dvitIyA ekavachana, same as payaH. It
couldn't go with the the puMliMgI prathamA bahuvachana
"narAH".
The only problem I have now is with with
"nirjarAvAsam" in dvitIyA is the presence of "bhuvi"
in saptamI: I think the user can make one choice or
the other, using one location as "adhikaraNa" and the
other as "karma" is like having your cake and eating
it too.
As says AR gazh, the "Namul"= "tvA" meaning of
"nirjarAvAsam" is very difficult to contextualize.
dhana.njayaH
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:15:09 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Budha name
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Devas have only three stages (dashaa) in life viz., toddler, childhood and youth. They
never reach the fourth stage namely oldage due to drinking the ambrosia . Hence they
are called 'tridashaa').
The rest is explained by PKR.
Raman
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:29:33 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Re: On sudhaapaayam & nirjaraavaasam
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Jay:
Can't we consider 'nirapAyaM' (nir + apAyaM) as an avyayiibhaava compound
and hence as avyayam?
Raman
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Is nirapAyam an avyayIbhAva? If so, harder to
make anvaya.
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The meaning of the avyayIbhAva would be "The lack of
harm" rather than "something lacking harm". In English
the former "harmlessness" is a 'qualitative noun', the
latter "harmless" is an 'adjective'. Again, the terms
noun and adjective are not defined in sa.nskR^ita
grammar.
The textbook example of the "nir-" avyayIbhava is
"abhavo maxikANAm = nirmaxikam". A very horrible curse
to issue to someone is
"niHsantAnaM dasyor bhavatu!" (avyayIbhAva -- Let
there come to be an absence of the bandit's
descendents!).
However, a concerned minister might say:
"niHsantAnena rAGYA shivasya archanA kartavyA |"
(bahuvrIhi -- The childless king should worship
shiva.)
(Comic aside: In ancient sa.nskR^ita textbooks, when
examples that sound foulmouthedd are to be given, they
are directed to bandits, thieves or enemies, so to be
polite to the reader!)
The avyayIbhAva meaning is harder to contextualize in
the verse at hand. We will have to assume
asti/bhavati/syAt and make a separate sentence
(clause) for "nirapAyam bhavati" + the other sentences
(clauses) with "pibanti" and "vasanti" as their
principal verbs.
--- Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can't we consider 'nirapAyaM' (nir + apAyaM) as an
> avyayiibhaava compound and hence as avyayam?
>
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