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Today's Topics:
1. Re: A bonus Tit tor Tat - conversation (Balaji)
2. Re: The personality of poetry. (M.B.S.Namboothiripad)
3. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 (hn bhat)
4. Re: tit for tat (M.B.S.Namboothiripad)
5. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
6. Poet of "yasyaascora:..." RE: sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue
1 Complete Verse Yasyash coraH (A.R. Srikrishnan)
7. Re: tit for tat (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
8. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 Completion of Verse Hey
heramba kimamba (hn bhat)
9. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 Thanks to Mankikar for
providing two more verses (hn bhat)
10. Re: tit for tat (Gopal Krishnan)
11. Re: Krishna and the Gopi (Lee Goldberg)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:37:05 -0000
From: "Balaji" <bal...@balaji27.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] A bonus Tit tor Tat - conversation
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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Let the dialogue continue between Ramakrishna Mahodaya and Bhat Mahodaya. It is
to the great delight of spectators like us.
Regards
Balaji
----- Original Message -----
From: hn bhat
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:26 AM
Subject: [Sanskrit] A bonus Tit tor Tat - conversation
Here is another tit for tat conversation between the same ladies Lakshmi and
Parvathi, beginning with the same expression as in the previous post, but
continued with a different turn of speech:
??????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ??? ??????
???????? ?????????? ??? ??? ???? ? ????????
?????? ????? ????????????? ???? ????????? ???-
?????????? ??????????????????????????? ???? ???
bhik?u? kv?sti baler makhe pa?upati? kv?ste para? gokule
kv?ste pannagabh??a?a? sakhi sad? ?ete sa ?e?opari|
mugdhe mu?ca vi??dam enam adhun? n?ha? prak?ty? cal?-
sm?ty eva? girij?samudratanay?h?syodgama? p?tu va?||
======================
Where is the beggar? --- At the sacrifice of Bali;
Where is Shiva , the lord of lives?
---- He (pa?upati ? the cowherd, Krishna) is at the Gokula;
Where is Pannagabh??a?a (the one having the serpent as ornament)?
--- O my friend, he (one who adorns the serpent, = Vishnu) is always lying on
Sesha;
O foolish girl, now leave this eater of poison (Shiva).
---- I am not in the habit of moving ever (like Lakshmi).
(or I am not unsteady by nature --- Lakshmi is notorious for changing
her place ever and never residing at one place).
Thus the humour emerging up between Parvati and Lakshmi, be protect you.
This is a bonus tribute for my respected Ramakrishnan Sir.
With regards
--
Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:55 +0530
From: "M.B.S.Namboothiripad" <mbs.namboothiri...@sailrsp.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] The personality of poetry.
To: "hn bhat" <hnbha...@gmail.com>
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Dear Sirs,
Sree Gurubhyo namah !!
Thanks for an elaborate translation of the poem. Initially I could not
understand the meaning of first and last lines.
With the explanation the first line is clear. (especiallially the mukura
meanining mkula).
Now my doubt is:
1. is 'sa' in third line a misfit. (It is not required and it breaks the
metre - vruttabhanga)
2. How the word/s "yeShaaM" for anybody?
pls forgive me if I am feeling like questioning your authority in Sanskrit.
M.B.S.Namboothiripad,
Hot Strip Mill,
Rourkela Steel Plant,
Rourkela, Orissa.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:25:02 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
> To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:45:25 +0530 (IST)
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2 A correction to
> the verse quoted: bhiksharthii sa kva
> Thanks for the correction.
>
> I could not follow the implication of
>
> ?????????: /
>
> -----------------------------------
> P.K. Ramakrishnan
>
>
Dear respected Sir,
It is in the descriptions of Shiva, holding a deer in his hand. Here it is
simply said as the young deer which is held in his hand. "shishu" doesn't
have any specific implication than making fun of him that he is holding the
young deer to play with. Here is the description relevant to this: "???????
??????? ????-???-???-????-????? ????????? ... ..." etc. On the other hand,
as applied to Varaha incarnation, the word means a young animal (cub) , by
implication it the boar. The boar incarnation was born only with a thumb
size, from the nose of Brahma as he sighed on the loss of Veda-s. This might
have implied by the word shishu.
I am not going into the related legends related with both. Even there is a
shloka how this deer came into his hand. I will post it in the next.
Hope this will satisfy your query for the time being.
With respectful regards
--
Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
NB: Hope you might have enjoyed the similar conversation between these two
ladies posted in this issue.
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:54:09 +0530
From: "M.B.S.Namboothiripad" <mbs.namboothiri...@sailrsp.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] tit for tat
To: "\"P.K.Ramakrishnan\"" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
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Respected sir,
I have been reading your postings but afraid to add or comment lest my
igorance will be made public.
Your suggestion of "jhatuti prativaktavyam" awakened me.
The version I have heard goes loike this :
vaidyaH krUro yamaH krUraH
krUrat krUrataro bhishak
yamastu harati prANAn
vaidystu savaUnasUn.
meaning the vaidaya takes asUn (prANAn which are savsu = with vasu = with
money).
Regards,
M.B.S.Namboothiripad.
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:44:34 +0530 (IST)
From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3
To: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Cc: sanskrit digest <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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Thanks form the explanation.
-----------------------------------
P.K. Ramakrishnan
________________________________
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Sent: Thu, 3 December, 2009 3:25:02 PM
Subject: Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
>>To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
>Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:45:25 +0530 (IST)
>Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2 A correction to the
>verse quoted: bhiksharthii sa kva
>
>Thanks for the correction.
>
>
>I could not follow the
>implication of
>?????????:
>/
>
> -----------------------------------
>P.K. Ramakrishnan
>
>
Dear respected Sir,
It is in the descriptions of Shiva, holding a deer in his hand. Here it is
simply said as the young deer which is held in his hand. "shishu" doesn't have
any specific implication than making fun of him that he is holding the young
deer to play with. Here is the description relevant to this: "??????? ???????
????-???-???-????-????? ????????? ... ..." etc. On the other hand, as applied
to Varaha incarnation, the word means a young animal (cub) , by implication it
the boar. The boar incarnation was born only with a thumb size, from the nose
of Brahma as he sighed on the loss of Veda-s. This might have implied by the
word shishu.
I am not going into the related legends related with both. Even there is a
shloka how this deer came into his hand. I will post it in the next.
Hope this will satisfy your query for the time being.
With respectful regards
-- Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
NB: Hope you might have enjoyed the similar conversation between these two
ladies posted in this issue.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:51:52 +0530
From: "A.R. Srikrishnan" <ar.srikrish...@ansys.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Poet of "yasyaascora:..." RE: sanskrit Digest,
Vol 56, Issue 1 Complete Verse Yasyash coraH
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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This shloka is by Jayadeva, in his play "prasannaraaghavam" . (This
Jayadeva is probably _not_ the author of Giitagovindam).
Thanks,
Srikrishnan
From: Vasu Srinivasan [mailto:vasy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:37 AM
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 56,Issue 1 Complete Verse
Yasyash coraH
bhat mahodaya
Thank you for educating us with such beautiful poetry.
Any idea who came up with this? Its really fascinating.
--
Regards,
Vasu Srinivasan
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:00:58 +0530 (IST)
From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] tit for tat
To: "M.B.S.Namboothiripad" <mbs.namboothiri...@sailrsp.co.in>
Cc: sanskrit digest <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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Thereis a spelling mistake here. savaUnasUn. should be savasUnasUn.
-----------------------------------
P.K. Ramakrishnan
________________________________
From: M.B.S.Namboothiripad <mbs.namboothiri...@sailrsp.co.in>
To: P.K.Ramakrishnan <peeka...@yahoo.com>
Cc: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Sent: Thu, 3 December, 2009 3:54:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] tit for tat
Respected sir,
I have been reading your
postings but afraid to add or comment lest my igorance will be made
public.
Your suggestion of "jhatuti
prativaktavyam" awakened me.
The version I have heard goes
loike this :
vaidyaH
krUro yamaH krUraH
krUrat krUrataro
bhishak
yamastu harati prANAn
vaidystu
savaUnasUn.
meaning the vaidaya
takes asUn (prANAn which are savsu = with vasu = with money).
Regards,
M.B.S.Namboothiripad.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:38:32 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 Completion of
Verse Hey heramba kimamba
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
> To: sanskrit digest <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:02:53 +0530 (IST)
> Subject: [Sanskrit] A request
> The following is a fight between Ganesha and Subrahmanya.
> I remember only the first line. Can someone give the entire verse.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> hey heramba kimamba rodishi katham karNau luthatyagnibhuuh
>
> -----------------------------------
> P.K. Ramakrishnan
>
>
Here is the complete verse with the quarrell containing a dialogue between
ganesha, and Skanda AND parvati compromising them.
Please enjoy:
=====================
?? ??????, ??????, ?????? ????? ????? ?????????????,
??? ?? ?????? ??????????, ?? ???? ?????? ???? ??????????
???????????????, ??????, ?????, ????? ?????????? ??,
?????? ???? ??????? ??????????? ???? ???? ???
============================
??????? - ?? ??????!
????? - ???? ?????
??????? - ?????? ????? Why do you cry?
????? - ????? ????? ????????! (agnibhU) Skanda is pulling my ears.
??????? - ??? ?? ?????? ???????????? What is the mischievous act you play,
Skanda?
??????? - ?? ???? ?????? ???? ??????????
First, my eyes were counted (Ganesha counted my eyes first)
??????? - ??????, ???? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ??
Gajasya, (Ganesha,) this your behavior is also not proper!
???? - ????? ?????? ???? ???
Mother, now he measures my trunk!!
?????? ???? ??????? ??????????? ???? ???? ???
Thus Parvati, who started to laugh loudly seing both of them (quarrelling
again, may protect you.
It is the nature of children to quarrel once and play again which need not
be interfered by elder people for compromise.
With regards
--
Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:49:23 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 Thanks to
Mankikar for providing two more verses
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Krishnanand Mankikar <kdmanki...@gmail.com>
>> To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:28:40 +0530
>> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] a beautiful play on words - dialoge between
>> Krishna and Gopi
>> There is a Shiva Parvati Samvada
>> one of the shlokas is:
>>
>> kastvaM shUlI mRRigaya bhiShajam nIlakaNThaH priye.aham |
>> kekAmekaM kuru pashupatirnaiva dRRishye viShANe ||
>> sthANurmugdhe na vadati tarurjIviteshaH shivAyAH |
>> gachchhATavyAm iti hatavachAH pAtu vashchandrachUDaH ||
>>
>>
>> one more shloka:
>>
>>
>> ????????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ????????? ?
>>
>> ???? ????? ???????? ????? ????????????? ??????? ??
>>
>> ???? ????? ???????????? ????????????????? ?????? ???????? ?
>>
>> ????????????? ??????????? ?? ????????????????????????? ??
>>
>> Mankikar
>>
>
>
> Many thanks Mankikar, for providing two more beautiful verses.
>
With regards
HNBHAT
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:58:24 +0530
From: Gopal Krishnan <tngop...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] tit for tat
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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Vaidyaraja namasthubhyam
Yamaraja sahodarah
Yamasthu haratha praanan
Vaidya Praanan dhananicha...
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:10 PM, vedantham chary <vedantham_kris...@yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Respected Swamy Namasthe
> I heard a Sloka equating a doctor and Yama in which Yama is cited as better
> being taker of Prana only wheras docter takes Prana and dhana mana etc.Can
> any one cite that sloka
>
> Mr.V.Krishnamachary
> Retired Civil Engineer
> U 51 6th Main Road
> Annanagar
> CHENNAI-600 040
> Email: vedantham_kris...@yahoo.com
> Mobile: 9444925605
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/2/09, P.K.Ramakrishnan <peeka...@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: P.K.Ramakrishnan <peeka...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Sanskrit] tit for tat
> To: "sanskrit digest" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 1:03 AM
>
>
> ?????????? ? ??? ???? Lakshmi is asking Parvati
> ????? ?????? Parvati replies - Oh Fair Lady, he has gone to the
> sacrifice of Mahabali (begging for three foot of land)
>
> Can some one provide the entire shloka which I have forgotten?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -----------------------------------
> P.K. Ramakrishnan
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:12:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Goldberg <leegoldberg2...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Krishna and the Gopi
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I suppose that would make "Harry Potter"? ???? ???????
;)
--- On Thu, 12/3/09, sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu
<sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu> wrote:
2009/12/2 hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
An interesting dialog between a cow-herd girl and Krishna?when he knocked on
her door in the?midnight::?
?????????? ?? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??? ??????
?? ????? ??? ?????? ? ?? ??????? ??? ?????????? ????????? |
???? ??????????? ????? ????????? ???? ??? ?????????
??????? ???????? ???????????? ???? ?????????????
"Who is knocking the door with fingers?
--- Oh cunning girl, it is (me) Madhava."
?O is it Vasanta , the Spring Season?
---- No, I am Cakrin, (holding the wheel.);
Oh is it the potter (holding potter?s wheel in his hand)?
----No, no. It is me the up-lifter of earth (in the incarnation of boar,
Varaha).
Oh, then are you the lord of serpents with two tongues, Adisesha? (who supports
the earth).
--- No I am the one who tamed the serpent which lived in the river;
Oh are you the Garuda, the king of birds?
---- No,?I am Hari. (also the word Hari denotes a monkey as Krishna)
?Oh, are you then Hanuman, the king of monkeys.?
Thus, Krishna, discomfited by the cowherd girl (Gopi) by tit for tat replies,
may protect you.
Here is a beautiful play on words using pun on the words (highlighted in the
text) with double meaning by which the Gopi teases Krishna
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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