The recent pop-sociology book "Traffic" is on Saturday House' library  
bookshelf and discusses these topics, FYI.

On Jan 26, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Gregory Heller wrote:

> there are some interesting studies and initiatives to remove things  
> like high curbs, traffic signs and signals, and add more street  
> surface markings.  Many european cities are more like this, and it  
> causes drivers to pay more attention to what is happening around  
> them, rather than looking 10, 18 or 20 feet in the air at signs and  
> signals all way above the things they may actually run into.
>
>
> Robert Eickmann wrote:
>>
>> A big part of the problem i that our roads in america are too safe.  
>> We
>> are able to be have cell phones, GPS units with sexy British voices
>> yelling at us, to turn right and in dash fondue pots because the  
>> roads
>> are designed so we can safely drive on them 40% faster than the  
>> posted
>> speed limit.
>>
>> We have huge wide expanses of road everywhere, even where you don't
>> need them. You really need to be able to put cars four abreast on a
>> residential street in Bellevue, where every house has a drive way?
>> Seriously?
>>
>> We need bigger and better crashes, we also need to not clean up the
>> messes of auto accidents as fast as we do. Seriously if you drive  
>> past
>> a place where a car hit a oil tanker truck and killed four people,  
>> you
>> would slow down the next time that you drove down that stretch of
>> road. When I lived out in the country the places where I saw deer
>> frequently you can bet that I slowed down and flipped on the high
>> beams.
>>
>> Anyway we need less safe roads, with more roadway distractions so
>> people don't get complacent while drinking their quad iced starbucks
>> drink with ignited fourth of july sparklers, while fiddling with  
>> their
>> eight track player in their hummer H5 tank edition, with option  
>> chrome
>> treads. That will enable them to do the right thing and mow down  
>> every
>> hippie bicyclist in the painted bike lane er drive safely.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Gregory Heller  
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> They may actually slow down traffic, thus causing fewer accidents,
>>> especially the variety that involve pedestrians and cyclists.
>>>
>>> Rogan Creswick wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Kyle Mulka <[email protected]>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Not that I'm against ladybugs in intersections or anything, but
>>> wouldn't these distract drivers and cause more accidents?
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't imagine it would be that much worse than listening to the
>>> radio, or drinking a cup of coffee.
>>>
>>> There will always be distractions -- can't we emphasize the  
>>> importance
>>> of *driving* when erm, driving, rather than try to eliminate all of
>>> the distractions?</rant>
>>>
>>> Ok, I'm done :)
>>>
>>> --Rogan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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