ACM SIGCSE will be pushing more information shortly on the K-12 program suggestions. I've heard it will include security.
-Rob On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Jeremiah Heller <jerem...@inertialbit.net> wrote: > an interesting point. if it were not socially unacceptable to perform ethnic > cleansing it would still occur at the levels indicated in those examples. if > it were not for the civil rights movement and the eventually wide-spread > acceptance of the idea that discrimination based on superficial properties > was bad, there would still be slavery. socially, groups clashed (and some > still do) over their ideologies, which were used as a basis for logic and > perceived sound-judgement. however the more we learn about the universe/world > around us the more we understand how little we know and that any judgement > can only be temporary, until more knowledge is gained. > > is it more ideologically sound to feed ones family or to obey a law which > would allow them to starve simply due to a lack of other economic stimuli? > i'm not speaking from any hard data, but i doubt that many third-world > countries have a high local market for security experts, web developers, > graphic designers, etc. so what is a poor-third-worlder with an old > hand-me-down PC and no job to do? > > do security professionals really want to wipe hacking activity from the > planet? sounds like poor job security to me. > > the drive for survival seems key. i think that when the survival of many is > perceived as threatened, then 'bad hacking' will be addressed on a scale > which will contain it to the point that slavery is contained today... after > all don't hackers simply 'enslave' other computers? j/k > > until then it seems that educating people on how these things /work/ is the > best strategy. eventually we will reach the point where firewalls and > trojan-hunting are as common as changing your oil and painting a house. > > first we should probably unravel the electron... and perhaps the biological > effects of all of these radio waves bouncing around our tiny globe... don't > get me wrong, i like my microwaves, they give me warm fuzzy feelings:) > > On Apr 13, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Carl Vincent wrote: > >> social acceptance is a horrible way to enforce change anyway. >> >> Japanese internment camps, the Holocaust, the cival rights wars of the >> American 40's, 50's, and 60's, the American "red scare", the "gay >> bashing" that goes on to this day. All examples of large groups of >> people often doing things they don't agree with in order to "behave >> according to socially acceptable tenets". >> >> ... Sounds like bad juju in my book -_- >> >> Paul Schmehl wrote: >>> --On Monday, April 12, 2010 23:51:27 -0500 Matt Parsons >>> <mparsons1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have published a blog post on how I think we could potentially stop >>>> hackers >>>> in the next generation. Please let me know what you think of it or if >>>> it has >>>> been done before. >>>> >>> >>> Essentially your argument is that education can solve the problem of >>> "bad" hacking. While I certainly think education can help, I think >>> there will always be an element of society that is irredeemably "bad" >>> and cannot be gotten rid of (or corrected, if you will) through >>> education. Even societal shunning, which makes bad behavior so socially >>> unacceptable that it must hide in the shadows, does not rid us of those >>> who refuse to behave according to acceptable tenets. >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Secure Coding mailing list (SC-L) SC-L@securecoding.org > List information, subscriptions, etc - http://krvw.com/mailman/listinfo/sc-l > List charter available at - http://www.securecoding.org/list/charter.php > SC-L is hosted and moderated by KRvW Associates, LLC (http://www.KRvW.com) > as a free, non-commercial service to the software security community. > Follow KRvW Associates on Twitter at: http://twitter.com/KRvW_Associates > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ Secure Coding mailing list (SC-L) SC-L@securecoding.org List information, subscriptions, etc - http://krvw.com/mailman/listinfo/sc-l List charter available at - http://www.securecoding.org/list/charter.php SC-L is hosted and moderated by KRvW Associates, LLC (http://www.KRvW.com) as a free, non-commercial service to the software security community. Follow KRvW Associates on Twitter at: http://twitter.com/KRvW_Associates _______________________________________________
