Hi, Larry, thank you for the wonderful overview of things on the industrial side.
On the experimental physics side, things are very similar, except that our typical experiment life time is only 3-5-10 years and people turn-over drives software turn-over. New people want new c++, new python, etc. > We do not plan to re-evaluate RH 8 or Cent 8. Our conclusion is they > are not acceptable for plant wide use. A sad end to a good product. Others seem to have come to same conclusions. The ARM world (Raspbian, etc), Xilinx (FPGA ARM, rolled their own), etc. Cannot name a single embedded operation that stayed with Redhat/Centos. > Continuing to evaluate linux versions as possible OS's to jump to. The > only one we have see so far is the chineese linux - it works wonderful > and the desk top is direct and to the point. I am not surprised, as chineese linux (and russian linux) are driven by industrial users (civil more than military I would say). Everything must be open-source - open for review in fear of backdoors and boobytraps. Plus I would say in those no-nonsense do-more-with-less industrial cultures, things like "we start things randomly" systemd and "you must have top-of-the-line 3D accelerator" gnome do not last long. K.O. On Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 10:00:20AM -0500, Larry Linder wrote: > In the commercial world we have to support our customers for 20 + years. > If you want to stay in business. Machines are typically run to wear > out. > > We install VMWare and load the OS's we need under it. Dos to windows 10 > and several Linux systems. The only thing we use of the host OS is the > file system and its security. > > We avoid the DUMB convoluted desk tops and use what is necessary to > support our customers. > > With processor power ever increasing and disk space headed to penneys / > giga byte. It a way to insulate your self from some terrible mistakes > by well meaning people who make decisions on eye candy alone and have > obviously never used or managed systems. > > An example is to count mouse click and key strokes to get thing done. > > Anyone heard of motion related injuries? > > We do not plan to re-evaluate RH 8 or Cent 8. Our conclusion is they > are not acceptable for plant wide use. A sad end to a good product. > > Continuing to evaluate linux versions as possible OS's to jump to. The > only one we have see so far is the chineese linux - it works wonderful > and the desk top is direct and to the point. However we cannot use an > imported OS due to some of our business being military related. > > The solution for people who need Fortran or other out of date > compilers / debuggers - Load a current OS, install VMWare, load the OS > you need under VMware, and use it. Our subscription to VMWare > workstation is 168 $ . You don't need it for everyone but its a good > solution for others. Another + is you avoid the obsolete lib errors. > You avoid the goofy Gnome desk top as you can set up your box to boot > and run VMware and all you do is point and click on the OS you need to > run. All your data and disk files reside on the hosts file system so > system back up is still used. That is what we do to ovoid * - 8 OS's. > As long as they don't louse up the file system this is a good way to > work. > > My two cents worth. > Larry Linder -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
