So what percentage of the problem was on the shoulder of the Federal Governement???
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella \(formerly Tracey L. Minor\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Funny how because of that fact that it would not be finished before Katrina > hit, you think it was not his responsibility not to gut that budget or that > he gutted the disaster mitigation budget designed to save lives, or any of > the other stuff he and the white house are directly responsible for. I > guess the pass the buck president has pass the buck supporters who distort > some facts and ignore others to absolve him of his responsibilities. Gone > are the days when our leaders - Republican and democrat took responsibility > for their decisions, their actions, and those acting on their behalf. the > president said help would arrive on Tuesday, but it did not come until > Friday, but its not his responsibility right. > > <With all what you said about FEMA, there should be hearings, if it is true. > If not, than it will go as hear-say. > > Hearings start this week. I doubt republicans would be willing to do that > for hear-say. see below some of the claims. All that i posted were > obtained from mainstream media. Sometimes videotaped. It is on almost > every news station in America (even FOX), so if it is hearsay, these guys do > not seem to mind reprisals > > **below are links to a few online references, but all media outlet are > reporting the same thing** > > 2004, the Corps essentially stopped major work on the now-breached levee > system that had protected New Orleans from flooding. It was the first such > stoppage in 37 years, the Times-Picayune reported. > http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12528233.htm > > -we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my > parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got > there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the > fuel." > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/ > > Rescue flights suspended for presidential visit > http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/12548040.htm > > Federal flood control spending for southeastern Louisiana has been chopped > from $69 million in 2001 to $36.5 million in 2005, according to budget > documents. Federal hurricane protection for the Lake Pontchartrain vicinity > in the Army Corps of Engineers' budget dropped from $14.25 million in 2002 > to $5.7 million this year. Louisiana Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu requested > $27 million this year. > http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12528233.htm > > > > According to Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard, ""Walmart delivered > 3 trucks of water, FEMA turned them back, said we didn't need them." He > said, "Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans > area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now." > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/ > > Feds Refused to activate Civilian Reserve Air Fleet. In addition to Guard > help, the federal government could have activated, but did not, a major air > support plan under a pre-existing contract with airlines. The program, > called Civilian Reserve Air Fleet, lets the government quickly put private > cargo and passenger planes into service. The CRAF provision has been > activated twice, once for the Persian Gulf War and again for the Iraq war. > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_national_guard > > Feds Prevent States From Sending Troops to New Orlean > http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5253757,00.html > > Shortly after Bush came into office, "key federal disaster mitigation > programs, developed over many years, [were] slashed and tossed aside." > FEMA's Project Impact, "a model mitigation program created by the Clinton > administration," was canceled outright by the Bush administration on > February 28, 2001 -- ironically, the very same day of the 6.8 magnitude > Nisqually earthquake in Washington state, which provided one of the "best > examples of the impact the program had" in protecting people. Indeed, FEMA > employees were officially "directed not to become involved in disaster > preparedness functions, since a new directorate (yet to be established) will > have that mission." > http://www.indyweek.com/durham/2004-09-22/cover.html > > levee repairs faked > http://www.fromtheroots.org/story/2005/9/3/19542/97952 > > in the 1990s, in planning for a New Orleans nightmare scenario, the federal > government figured it would pre-deploy nearby ships with pumps to remove > water from the below-sea-level city and have hospital ships nearby, said > James Lee Witt, former FEMA director. Now federal officials say a hospital > ship did not leave its port in Baltimore until yesterdy, and isn't expected > to arrive for seven days. > http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-health1sep01,0,932523.story?coll= > la-home-headlines > > > FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut > them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects > the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting > near these lines." Sheriff Harry Lee said that if America--American > government would have responded like Wal-Mart has responded, we wouldn't be > in this crisis. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/ > -----Original Message----- > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of sancochojo > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:05 PM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local > Officials > > > Like I said, it was stated and Democrats agreed, even with the full > funding, the projects did not go toward the reengineering of the > levees which is the States decision where the full funding was > specified for. Thats a blunder of the State which is typical when > funded by the Fed. There is always mismanagement of money and > priorities. Given the history of corruption in New Orleans, it does > not surprise me. > > With all what you said about FEMA, there should be hearings, if it is > true. If not, than it will go as hear-say. > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella \(formerly > Tracey L. Minor\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've know about new Orleans for a long time. My husband and I were > thinking > > about going there because we thought it would be gone in a few years > and we > > wanted one last visit before it was too late. > > > > I wish i could say that my politics had nothing to do with it, but my > > motivation is dehydrated little ones, frail old ladies dying from > > starvation, doctors and nurses sustaining themselves with glucose and > > pleading for someone to come save them, and public officials crying > pleading > > for help. this stuff is eating me up. I dream about it. it makes my > > stomach hurt. while it was inevitable that their would be > casualties of > > the hurricane, the survivors did not have to die of starvation, > violence, > > dehydration, etc. > > > > I think a lot of people are responsible for this mess, but the fact > is that > > bush slashed the budget to deal with the problem and address flood > > mitigation by almost 50%; he fired the person who tried to tell him what > > would happen if he did so; he hired the head of the Arabian horse > Breeders > > to head of FEMA (real qualified); He took cabinet powers away from > FEMA and > > rolled it into the office of Homeland Security; he sent 1/3 of > Louisiana's > > troops to Iraq and 1/2 of the equipment needed for rescue and > cleanup; other > > states offered their national guard troops last Saturday, but the > federal > > government did not release them until thursday. Hastert refused to > call an > > emergency session of congress so more monies could be made > available. So, > > the session did not take place until the end of the week; Emergency > teams > > came in with supplies for a terrorist disaster not a hurricane; > while people > > were dying bush, condi, card, and Cheney continued to vacation; when > he left > > his vacation, Bush continued his social security stomp as people died; > > FEMA's leader suggested that people were dying because they would not > > leave, not because of his incompetince or that many could not afford to > > leave;the feds (Bush) refused to activate the Civilian Reserve Air > Fleet but > > did not hesitate to do so for Iraq; People who wanted to help those > in need > > were barred from doing so by the Office of homeland security; FEMA > refused > > to allow Diesel fuel in from the coast Guard; FEMA has intentionally > cut off > > sprint and verizon in new Orleans; they also cut the lines that the > police > > used to communicate; Wal-Mart sent water and FEMA refused it saying > it was > > not needed.. but people have died of dehydration. FEMA cordoned off New > > Orleans not letting anyone in or out; Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue > > equipment strategically placed around the country to be used in the > event of > > a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New > Orleans. The > > feds say it is because LA, AL and MS did not ask for it. Would it be > > difficult to let them know it is available and instruct them on what is > > required to get it? > > > > so bush did not cause the problem, and he did not cause the flood, > but did > > he and the feds do everything needed to make sure lives were not > lost, no. > > I feel like they murdered thousands of people and everybody is defending > > him. > > > > I do not get it. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Bosco Bosco > > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:32 AM > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and > > Local Officials > > > > > > --- sancochojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of > > Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since > > that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, > > that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the > > white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his > > policies is simply ridiculous. > > > > > http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346 > > .story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true > > > > http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ > > > > I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles > > we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the > > process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi > > Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and > > that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when > > it struck. They also make no bones about the fact that the Bush > > administration has been actively involved in cutting their funding > > over the last few years to divert funds to the war in Iraq. it shoudl > > be noted they express on opinion on the lack of funding, just that it > > was a reality. The White House and the Congress have both been > > clearly aware of the possibilities of this kind of disaster and the > > need for the Army Corp Of Engineer's work. They decided the war in > > Iraq was more important. So to some degree the present administration > > and it's policies absolutely deserve some of the blame in regards to > > the present disaster that has struck New Orleans. > > > > Bosco > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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