I agree with that. He'd lost the fire after his wife's death. I'm just saying I wish he'd started out as Captain Sisko of whatever that starship was he was on. But hey, like you say, he grew like hell in what is probably my favorite Trek series. Oh course, ol' boy didn't really shine until he shaved that head and grew that beard, and became Hawk in the 24th Century!
-------------- Original message -------------- Also remember that Sisko was Highly Pissed off at the world when he lost his wife...Realistically, I think that was the reason that, if he was passed over for the promotion, was...From what I gather, It seemed as if Sisko was on his way out of Starfleet as I read it...Hence, his posting at DS9...Very plausible...And I thought he did a helluva job turning himself around in one episode... Keith Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually I was going back to the premiere, where Sisko was First Officer of his ship. I felt his character should have been a captain of that starship, not the XO. -----Original Message----- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 19:20 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people? On one point, I have to say militarily was incorrect...Sisko was a commander, but of an outpost, not a ship, which I am assuming the captain's rank was reserved for ship's commanders...But I do see your point... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Your point is dead-on, which is what I meant. Star Trek was the beacon, starting slowly (a Black woman, no Black men in major roles), then grew with Geordi (whose disability definitely raised eyebrows among Blacks) and Worf, and reaching fruition in Sisko. The series matured in its treatment of people of color (though why Sisko was the only lead character in all the shows that started out as a commander instead of a captain was puzzling). That's what I meant about "Enterprise" going backwards. They literally regressed over three decades and relegated the Black and Asian characters to the same levels of background noise that unfortunately mostly defined Uhura and Sulu. And speaking of Sulu, MAJOR crime to my mind that George Takei, who has great screen presence, was never able to shine in Trek as he deserved. I'd have loved to have seen a movie based on his Excelsior. And you are so correct in saying that you hate the treatment of people of color on Galactica more now that you like it. I'm the same way. I hated the show when it started, wrote a scathing review in our group, then grew to love it. But then I look up and see the Asian girl being the love interest for two different white dudes, and ditto for the Black girl (Moore hints to a developing love triangle between the Sister, Billy, and Apollo). I see no Brothers playing anything but guards and "muscle", as you say. And i just have to wonder, is it intentional or just more of the same white ignorance? Moore is a white man, and maybe bringing women of color on to be love interests for white men is "diversity" to him. Maybe he hasn't noticed that on several occassions he's used BBM (Big Black Men) as prisoners, and that they're even stereotypically dark-skinned and bald. Maybe he just doesn't get it, but I know it bothers me a great deal. Like I said, when the entire Pegasus command structure turns out white, and two bald brothers show up as the Admiral's personal guard, I was stunned. I'm hoping season three will somehow address this problem. "tetsuwanatom1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, you know, we hold up Trek as the beacon, but it was really just the first. I don't think they really got it until TNG was deep into its run. Uhura was a hot swingin babe in a miniskirt. TOS did have black cast members playing doctors (!) and scientists (!!!) though. But really, a black dude with "space shades?" Burton really worked that character into something. And what abt other minorities in TNG? Had the Japanese nurse . . .. Worf, he's Klingon, just the actor is black. Casting Dorn as Worf though did lead to primarily casting black (men) as Klingons most often. Same could be said for Tuvok, though Vulcans are a little more human looking so his color is more in your face. Funny that the lack of black males on BSG bothers me more now than it did at first. That's because I HATED the show at first. Now it's at least tolerable. I like Olmos, Sackhoff has grown on me, and I'm a bit curious to see where their going, even if on occasion they do telegraph their punches. To that end, I'm also kinda hanging around to see if Moore will EVER come right out and say that there is racism in the colonies, as his constant presentation of black males as jailbirds and muscle seems to suggest. Or perhaps one day he'll admit he just has no idea what to do with issues of race or ethnic actors (who are not asian women). -------------- Original message -------------- --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yeah, "Enterprise" was a huge one. I posted a review of every single > episode here, and I can think of maybe one show--two at best--where > Mayweather had a significant role. I often stated only half-jokingly > that he had less screen time than Archer's dog Porthos! Hoshi--the > Asian Comm officer--fared only slighter better. It was very confusing > for a modern Star Trek show to take steps backwards in usage of people > of color. Before we had Geordi, Worf, Tuvok, Torres. Some used better > than others, but all used more than Mayweather. That misstep was more > of the same bad written that helped doom the series, as the whole thing > was a confused mess until the last season. > > -----Original Message----- > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Carole McDonnell > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 09:56 > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people? > > Ah, so true!! > > That's also one of the reasons I couldn't watch Enterprise. They didn't > seem to know what to do with "the black guy." I mean...they had > a "black guy" on the deck and all. But it was so obvious, they didn't > think enough to give him a personality. So he was just this good- > natured token. Quota filled but essentials still not understood. -C > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think it is as simple as this: 'We' didn't write it...'We' have > very little to do with it...'We' are not part of his world... > > > Keith Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:And to repost yet again, > I'm still wondering. On the season-ending show > where the Battlestar Pegasus is found, Admiral Caine travels to > Galactica. As her Raptor doors open, we see that she's accompanied by an > impressive group of officers and security. The first to disembark are > two snarling, armed guards, who scan the crowd with suspicion. I was > struck that both of these bookends were Black--and bald... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Music genres Genre magazine --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "scifinoir2" on the web. 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