Puh-leeze! Is there another dimension we can ship these clowns off to?
sancochojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Yeah, he said this.
50 Cent, 30 years old, told journalists that Kanye was the first
thing that came along after his music, and that's why he thinks West
is successful because of him.
50 also declared that Kanye is a good producer, but he doesn't have
a style of his own to impress people with.
He says: "I feel like Kanye West is successful because of me. After
50 Cent, (hip-hop fans) was looking for something non-
confrontational, and they went after the first thing that came
along.
"That was Kanye West, and his record took off. He puts together
witty phrases and he's a great talent as a producer, but I still
don't know who Kanye West is when I listen to him."
This is a whole nother debate, because clearly this is a personal
attack and has nothing to do with the Bush issue. On this issue, A
civil human being in this country sues for defamation of character,
lets see what these guys do, but it could all be a media ploy by the
artist themselves who knows.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, yinka oyekunle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hmmm... (that must be my favorite word 2day)
> I guess I totally disgree w/ 50 on that particular issue. he did
also say that Kanye owes him I don't know the exact words used... if
u do please tell me/us) but I do knw that he came off pretty
arrogant (almost jeaulous) & this was his attempt 2 dis Kanye &
steal his thunder 2 reclaim his popularity. I hope that makes sense
(I'm quasi multi-tasking)
>
> sancochojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Help me on this one,
>
> 50 said, "I think people responded to it the best way they can,"
50
> told ContactMusic.com. "What Kanye West was saying, I don't know
> where that came from."
>
> also
>
> The IN DA CLUB star believes human intervention could not have
> prevented the effects of the hurricane, which killed over a
thousand
> people in the US gulf states in August (05), and sees no point in
> reprimanding the President for something which was beyond his
> control.
>
> I really don't know what words he used that seem so
disrespectful.
> I wonder if he had called Kanye a name how much angry you would
get.
> Please highlight it for me.
>
> Key points from 50 cent, directly from ContactMusics web page.
> 1. I think people responded to it the best way they can
> 2. I don't know where that came from."
> 3. sees no point in reprimanding the President for something which
> was beyond his control
> 4. believes human intervention could not have prevented the
effects
> of the hurricane
>
> So tell me. What was so disrespectful in his comment. I'm at a
> lost here.
>
> Maybe i'm starting to understand why we get into fights when a
> brotha steps on another brothas shoes in a Club.
>
> I guess we kill for less.
>
> Maybe it is the media pitting us against each other with big
> headlines because they know we may react to such wasteless crap.
>
> <<shaking head>>
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Well said, that was my point. 50 has the right to say what he
> wants. But he also has a responsibility to think before he speaks.
> How about good old-fashioned humility and respect? As I said
before,
> he could have said it with respect. We keep letting folks off
> because they're rich or "edgy" or come from a "bad" background.
> Class has nothing to do with whether you're a boy man from
> the 'hood or a rich one from a mansion. And it's these "small"
rips
> and insults and barbs that flame into the full-fledged battles I'm
> tired of seeing. How often do we see famous, influential white
> singers going at each other on this level.
> >
> > Am I saying white are better? No. Am I saying act right so you
> don't embarrass all Blacks? Sorta, but no. What I am saying is I
> was raised to believe that we Blacks should stick together and try
> to uplift each other--especially in public. And if you do disagree-
-
> and of course we will and can--do it with class and respect.
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > hmmm... I agree that differing views should not generate anger.
> We do not share a single mind & its diversity of thought that has
> helped us (heman beings in general) "advance" or "survive".
> However, Black people in America r in a slightly particular
> situation. Pop culture plays a huge role in our lives & it can
> litterally dictate how wwe regard ourselves & others
> (unfortunately). The "icons" of Pop culture have a particularly
> huge effect (for aforementioned reasons). Nothing wrong at all w/
> 50's disagreement but giving our situation in society, his views
can
> be destructive. Should he not speak? No, he should express his
> views. Should he be aware of the fact that whatever comes out of
> his mouth has great impact on many (by virtue of his status in Pop
> culture)? Hell yes! Blacks don't have the luxury of existing as
an
> individual gruop of people (in reality we do exist as so) but it
can
> prove to be detrimental to think that we do not effect each other
> (positively or negatively),
> > especially when our very society can be our worst enemy. I
think
> my long winded point is: Blacks, especially those of high media
> profiles, need to be conscious of what they say & do becuase they
> can effect change at a wider & more immediate scale! I don't
aggree
> w/ voilent assault or even harsh verbal confrontations due to
> difference of views (I think we both agree here). But I do feel
that
> those of us that express potentially destructive views should
> exercise restraint. Not saying don't express oneself but stop to
> consider what impact your words &/or deeds will have on others
> (especially those in a delicate socio/economic position... whose
> condition can be heavily influenced by Popular media)
> >
> > sancochojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I agree with you to an extent. But you say that, "This is a
> society
> > that places negative & destructive attributes to "being Black,"
> yet
> > our anger towards each other is just as destructive when we have
> > dissenting view points.
> >
> > We as a people must learn how to use restraint. Especially
among
> > ourselves. If we don't among ourselves then the very people
that
> we
> > fear(white people) will treat us in the same manner. If we
> consider
> > ourselves the essence of mankind, then we must act like it and
not
> > like cavemen we say they come from.
> >
> > I look at the comment by 50 cents, "I think people responded to
it
> > the best way they can," and "What Kanye West was saying, I don't
> > know where that came from." W
> >
> > We should go crazy over such a harmless comment. Why would a
> comment
> > like that generate so much anger. Civility would say, "ok
> > difference of opinion." Uncivility would say, "off with his
> > head." "be careful with what you say, remember what happen to
> Biggy"
> > or "He need to shut the hell up."
> >
> > Comments like that should not generate extreme anger.
> >
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, yinka oyekunle
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting point. As human beings we should be able to voice
> our
> > disagreement (free from uncivil discourse). However, given our
> > particular socio/economic condition in America, 50's remarks are
> > only symptomatic of a greater problem. 50 is entitled to his
> > beliefs, but his view & the possible motivation for it has
> > detrimental effects (whites Americans in general can afford to
do
> > this) we need to be more homogeneous is in thought to a degree &
> > begin perpetuating positive normative values. Until we live in
a
> > society that regards US as HUMAN BEINGS capable of wide ranges
of
> > thought and opinions (both good & bad), we need to be more
> > collectively conscious. This is a society that places negative
&
> > destructive attributes to "being Black". We need to safe guard
> > ourselves & future generations to ensure that we can achieve
full
> > lives & not be "pigeon-holed". Sorry if this makes no sense
(I'm
> > very tired this morning so my thoughts may not be expressed in
its
> > true manner)
> > >
> > >
> > > sancochojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > So what are you saying? We as black people cannot have a
civil
> > > discource without killing each other. Is that what you are
> saying?
> > > We are uncivil and having differences of opinion is a hazzard
to
> > our
> > > health? So sad that one black person cannot disagree with
> > another.
> > > Are you the same way when another black disagrees with you?
Do
> > you
> > > have that sense that you should kill them if they counter your
> > > opinion. 50cent was being interviewed and was asked the
> question,
> > I
> > > assume. So you are saying such a question received, we should
> > bite
> > > our lip because we are too sensative and uncivil to disagree.
> > > Although these wealthy singers make millions and we as a black
> > > community put them on a pedestal, they are uncivil in a civil
> > > society. Especially if they cannot handle differences of
> opinion
> > > and collectively as people of color, I think we fall short
when
> > our
> > > thoughts and ideas are challenged.
> > >
> > > And you wonder why white people and some blacks say that we
are
> > > homogeneous and non-objective thinkers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's why I said what I said yesterday. 50 needs to shut
the
> > hell
> > > up. If he wants to rap about his street cred, his "hard"
> > upbringing,
> > > how he's been shot 9 times and lived to tell the tale--well,
> > that's
> > > between him, the record company, and the consumers. But I am
> sick
> > > beyond belief of our Black artists criticising and sniping at
> each
> > > other, putting each other done. This crap killed Pac and
Biggie,
> > got
> > > women like Eve and Foxy Brown battling verbally when each
should
> > > have been happy to be making the dough. And it makes a mockery
> of
> > > anybody like 50 who dares say life, the 'hood, or Da Man has
> tried
> > > to keep him down. If he can't uplift and support his own
> Brothers--
> > > or at least, just shut up--then I don't want to hear anything
> from
> > > his mouth about life being hard for a Black man.
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > (rolls eyes)
> > > >
> > > > 50 cent really rubs me the wrong in so many ways. And he's
> one
> > > of the main
> > > > problems behind rap. And his words only prove it. IMO
> Kanye
> > in
> > > this case
> > > > was right and what we saw during NO mess proves it. I
think
> > this
> > > guy would
> > > > sell out his own mom if it could make him money.
> > > >
> > > > (rant over)
> > > >
> > > > -GTW
> > > >
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