I think not calling her Black is a mistake as well. Again, we fall into the trap of being Monolythic and having little tolerance for decenting view points or ideas when it comes to Black issues. History as shown that a large number of Blacks did not fall in line with the approach of the Civil Rights movements. King was not supported by a large number of Blacks.
I sometimes wonder if we as blacks did have our own country within the USA, how tolerant would we be to those Blacks that are not lock step with the "Black Agenda". Given how we treat those Black that dont agree with the Leftess way of thinking, I tend to believe that we would be no different than hardline conservatives, and at the extreme blood would be shed. Although we are collectively a Democratic group of people are actions and opinions, in the political arena, would please those individuals who seek Dicatatoral type of rule. "My way or the highway." She is not obligated to defend the ideas of your average Black American but neither is she concidered less Black. You also have to remember her parents moved somewhere in Colorado to have her study at a music conservatory at a very young age and in that part of the country, racism wasn't as blatent. She was musically talented and her parents wanted to cultivated that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If her family felt that dealing with the hardships of racism is the south would not be best for her child, that was the right thing to do. I personally would have left the country during that time and lived in the caribbean or some other country with less racial caos. Many of us did, and if I did, i'm pretty sure my anger of racism would not be as great as those who lived through the ordeal. Would I have been concidered less Black. W.E.B Dubois was not, when he chose to leave the US and live his final days in an African country. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In searching for verification of the quote I posted, i read Chestnut's > site, and about five or six others. Interestingly, most seemed to pull > from the same major sources, as the same quotes from Rick kept popping > up over and over. But I was struck with how insulated she was growing > up.Not that there's anything wrong with being well off, but the way her > family focused more on pretty clothes and French lessons while others > fought was odd. Or as Fred Shuttlesworth said, they could afford to be > on the outside preaching slow change while all the impoverished and > put-upon Blacks had to struggle. I think that calling Rice "Black" is a > mistake. She claims it in terms of her skin color, her family, and yes, > certain aspects of her heritage. But she doesn't own being Black in the > way I personally do. Is that wrong? Don't know. Takes all kinds to make > the world go round. But she's not the type I feel we need to point to as > inspiration, she's not the type I'd want my kids to emulate, and I fear > the kind of world people like her want where we're all just "Americans". > I am American, but I'm also a Black American, and I see nothing wrong > with that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Martin Pratt > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 20:23 > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Fw: Rice's Star Ris experienced racism of > any kind?ing Even as Public Sours on Bush > > > J.L. Chestnut just made it onto my list of real heroes. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read that quote from her in several > sources, but haven't been able to find a link to back it up. It may be > erroneously attributed to Condi. I have found numerous references to her > saying her family supported Civil Rights' goals, but not its actions. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I like her words describing the Civil Rights movement > > and her (lack of) involvement: "I didn't get involved > > in any counter-cultural things". > > That says it all... > > Where did you read this? Can you provide a URL or citation? Thanks. > > Also, the article below is a good summary too. > > George > - - - - - - - - - - > http://www.counterpunch.org/chestnut11192005.html > Her Father Taught Her Well > Condi Rice's Disdain for the Civil Rights Movement > By J. L. CHESTNUT, Jr. > November 19 - 20, 2005 > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Music genres Genre magazine > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "scifinoir2" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! 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