How the *frell* could any intelligent person believe that *environment* could foster homosexuality? As often as Hugh hefner makes the news for banging some trio of twenty-somethings? Puh-LEEEEZE. And don't get me started on the "they *chose* to be this way" argument!
Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That begs the question, were you born straight or did your environment make you that way? With the right kind of procedure could you become gay? Answer honestly and see what that says to your theory. It may support it, it may not. I'm of the idea that sexuality like so many other things is hardwired. Your attractions/orientations are not so much a matter of choice as part of your being. I don't claim to be an expert on this or behavioral scientist but I know a lot of gay people who don't feel they could just switch teams given the right set of circumstances. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is it the same therapy used on Gibson, Richards, and Washington? I > think I posted an e-mail a couple of weeks ago joking that there > ought to be a treatment facility divided into wings for differing > types of phobias and prejudices. > > What do you think? Is homosexuality an illness or behavioural issue > that can be "cured"? I'm not convinced that all homosexuality is > genetic or brain-mandated as some feel. (You're either born gay or > not, they say). Look at all the ancient societies where > homosexuality--or bi-sexuality, I should say--was practiced: > Sparta, Rome, others. Surely not every soldier and citizen who > engaged in that behaviour was born gay? I think the lifestyle and > cultural mores might have done that to them. > > Are some people born gay, and others simply become such due to > environment? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There was a great bit on "The View" today. The women mentioned that > parents sometimes make a child caught smoking smoke a whole pack of > cigarettes as a form of aversion therapy. They pondered what sort > of > "aversion therapy" had been employed to make Haggard change his > orientation in just three weeks... > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly > Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Forced by a gay sex scandal to resign as president of the > National > > Association of Evangelicals, the Rev. Ted Haggard now feels that > after > > three weeks of intensive counseling, he is âcompletely > heterosexual,â > > says an overseer of the megachurch Mr. Haggard once led. > > > > The church official, the Rev. Tim Ralph, said in an interview > published > > yesterday by The Denver Post that Mr. Haggard had also told the > board of > > overseers that his only sexual relationship involving another man > had > > been with Michael Jones, the onetime Denver prostitute who > exposed that > > three-year affair last fall. Mr. Jones said then that he was > making it > > public because Mr. Haggard had acted hypocritically in promoting > a > > constitutional amendment to bar same-sex marriage. > > > > Mr. Haggard, who as a result of the scandal was ousted by the > overseers > > in November as senior pastor of New Life Church in Colorado > Springs, > > broke a three-month silence over the weekend when he contacted > members > > of the church by e-mail to tell them that he was healing. > > > > His three weeks of counseling, in Phoenix, felt like âthree > yearsâ worth > > of analysis and treatment,â but now âJesus is starting to put > me > back > > together,â Mr. Haggard wrote in the e-mail message, which was > published > > in The Colorado Springs Gazette on Monday. > > > > âI have spent so much time in repentance, brokenness, hurt and > sorrow > > for the things Iâve done and the negative impact my actions > have > had on > > others,â he said. > > > > Mr. Haggard could not be reached for comment yesterday. Mr. Ralph > > > declined through a spokeswoman to comment, and there was no > response to > > telephone calls and e-mail to another overseer or to a New Life > > spokesman. But Mr. Ralph told The Denver Post that Mr. Haggard > had come > > out of the counseling convinced of his heterosexuality. > > > > âHe is completely heterosexual,â Mr. Ralph told The Post, > adding > that > > Mr. Haggardâs homosexual activity had not been âa constant > thing.â > > > > Dr. Jack Drescher, a New York psychiatrist who is an expert on > issues of > > gender and sexuality, said that while it was peopleâs > prerogative to > > identify their sexual orientation as they wanted, the notion of > being > > able to change that orientation was ânot consistent with > clinical > > presentations, but totally consistent with theological belief.â > > > > âSome people in the community that Mr. Haggard comes from > believe > > homosexuality is a form of behavior, a sinful form of behavior > based on > > certain things in the Bible, and they donât believe you can > create a > > healthy identity based on sinful behavior,â Dr. Drescher said. > âSo they > > define it as a behavior that can be changed, and there is this > thinking > > that if you control those behaviors enough, heterosexual > attractions > > will follow.â > > > > Mr. Haggard said in his message to New Life members that he and > his > wife > > were taking online courses to get masterâs degrees in > psychology, and > > Mr. Ralph told The Post that the oversight board had recommended > to Mr. > > Haggard that he take up secular work. > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/07/us/07haggard.html?ex=1171515600&en=59d2a4127cfb1bfb&ei=5070&emc=eta1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! 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