I'll even give "Voyager" props for one good time travel show-- "Timeless".
While guiding Voyager through a quantum slipstream to Earth, Harry Kim sends incorrect calculations that result in the deaths of everyone but him and Chakotay. Years later, he sends a message back in time to himself, correcting the mistake and saving the crew. Not the best show, not as good as some of the time-travel classics listed below. But memorable for seeing the Voyager's crash, and for the rare chance to see Garrett Wang actually get to *act*, rather than stand around being bright and shy and compliant. But again, later, back to the well: the two-part "Year of Hell" saw the entire Voyager crew decimated by a time-changing megalomaniac, but at the end? All is put back , it never happened. A cheap trick, using time-travel again to tell a sad story, then using it to erase all the consequences. Watching 85% of Voyager, as I've done in the last few months with the reruns on SpikeTV, I'm more convinced than ever that B&B became hacks. -------------- Original message -------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Judge Hatchett? We must hear more! > > Time travel is, with the possible exception of alien invasions or > computers/robots gone rogue, probably the most commonly used theme in science > fiction. Got no problem with that. A big aspect of Babylon 5's mythos centers > around time travel, as B4 was actually sent back in time to help with the > previous Shadow War, and the prophet Valen came from the future. In fact, I > can't think of single good scifi series that hasn't used time travel at some > time. > > And Trek has had some classic time travel eps: > > City on the Edge of Forever - OS show where Kirk must kill his love Edith > Keeler > to save the future. > > Yesterday's Enterprise - TNG ep where the Enterprise C comes into a future > where > the Federation is about to lose a war to the Klingon Empire. (one of my top > five > TNG eps, by the way) > > Trials and Tribbleations - *Awesomely* funny DS9 ep where Sisko and company > travel back to the site of the original "The Trouble with Tribbles" classic > > And as you mentioned, the "Memento" like "Enterprise" episode is very good. > In > fact, it was one of the shows signaling the long hoped-for arrival of quality > in > that series. But B&B were so obssessed with time travel shows it became a > joke. > Check it: > > * TNG series finale dealt with Picard being bounced around time by Q in order > for him to learn "non-linear" thinking > * DS9 kinda/sorta began with time travel, as Sisko kept reliving his past in > the > Celestial Temple, and kinda/sorta ended with it, as he left his wife to > journey > through time. > * Voyager's series finale had Janeway of the future go back in time to help > Janeway of the past get home sooner. > * The main theme of Enterprise from the start was the so-called "Temporal > Cold > War", and journeys/glimpses of the past and future were themes of its series > finale. > > Without even trying hard, I can think of well over a dozen more time travel > eps > in Voyager--the biggest offender--alone. Some were good, some bad, but the > theme > was overused, which shows a weakness in writing. That's what happens when the > same people control a franchise for this long: they go back to the same well > over and over again. Similar to the way the Borg--once feared and > mysterious--became common and frankly boring due to overuse. > > > But B&B used it so much it's unbelievable. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Justine is just the tip of the iceberg. Don't get me started on my Judge > Hatchett... > > Yeah, the time travel plot device was overused and predictible. I did > enjoy the Enterprise T'Pol/Archer short-term memory problem episode. That > was an outstanding exception. > > __________________________________________________________ > James Landrith > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 > AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 > MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith > Taking the Gloves Off - http://www.jameslandrith.com > The Multiracial Activist - http://www.multiracial.com > The Abolitionist Examiner - http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ > __________________________________________________________ > > > You're the first person I've heard of crushing on Justine Bateman! :) > > One reason I got so sick of Enterprise and aspects of Voyager was perhaps > > the main plot device B&B overused--time travel! Man, I've literally lost > > count of how often they used time travel in all the series to tell a > > story, then reverse everything. Some were really good--"Yesterday's > > Enterprise" (TNG), "Trials and Tribbleations" (DS9), the "Enterprise" > > where Archer lost his memory and had to be told by T'Pol each day how > > Earth was destroyed. But in the main time travel was so overused it became > > sickening. > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: James Landrith > > > >> I thoroughly enjoyed DS9 in syndication. I was on active duty when it > >> began its > >> run and hardly watched TV then. It was nice to see an ST series that > >> didn't > >> have the obligatory holodeck scene every episode or an undisciplined, > >> out of > >> control crew lost in space, or a desperate problem routinely solved > >> through > >> "reversing the polarity." > >> > >> Couldn't stand the damned v-word show. Liked TNG. Loved DS9. > >> > >> Great casting. Lots of new characters and familiar faces. Hawk from > >> Spenser - > >> running a space station? Awesome! Rene Auberjonis as a shape-shifting > >> security > >> officer? Plus, Terry Farrell reminded me of Justine Bateman - who I used > >> crush > >> on back in the day. :) > >> > >> That was some damn fine television. > >> ___ > >> James A. Landrith, Jr. > >> 703-593-2065 cell > >> 760-875-8547 fax > >> http://www.jameslandrith.com > >> > >> ..... Original Message ....... > >> On Wed, 16 May 2007 19:51:26 +0000 wrote: > >> >Yeah, as evidenced by the fact which bothered me from day one of DS9: > >> Sisko was > >> the *only* star of any Trek series who didn't come in as a captain. What > >> was > >> that about? I hear you and agree. I know from stuff I've read on the Net > >> and > >> even conversations in comic shops, DS9 isn't really appreciated. > >> > > >> >What's really sad, Tracey? DS9 had the best balance of all the things > >> that made > >> Trek what it was: aliens, futuristic tech, action, drama, fully realized > >> characters, and humour. I loved TNG--still do--but it was lacking in > >> humorous, > >> light-hearted shows. Between Quark, Bashir, and O'Brien, DS9 had a > >> goodly > >> number of funny shows, especially during the Dominion War, when the > >> humour broke > >> up the heavy drama. Voyager had lots of aliens, and the Doctor was > >> funny, but > >> the characters weren't really realized. Janeway and Seven ultimately got > >> all the > >> best scripts, with B'Lana Torres and the Doctor getting the leftovers. > >> DS9 > >> managed to develop everyone in that cast over seven years--even people > >> like Jake > >> and Rom--so that all had grown. Enterprise had the tension of the Xindi > >> thing, > >> but the Dominion War trumps it easily. > >> > > >> >And everywhere I turn now, people pat themselves on the back by saying > >> the new > >> Battlestar Galactica is the best scifi series ever on American TV. I > >> love BSG, > >> but I have to say that overall DS9 is better due to its more balanced > >> flow. > >> Great shows both--along with B5--but when it comes to thinking about > >> what series > >> I could watch over and over again decades in the future without getting > >> tired of > >> it, DS9 beats BSG. > >> > > >> > And again, it seems so few of those people realize that Ronald Moore > >> worked on > >> DS9 before BSG... > >> > > >> >-------------- Original message -------------- > >> >From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > >> > >> >Let me just say it. Most of America never wanted and never liked a > >> Black > >> >captain staring in the Star Trek universe. From day one Deep Space nine > >> >has been the step-child of the Franchise. > >> > > >> >Tracey > >> > > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> Not sure if this particular piece on the next "Trek" film was already > >> posted. > >> I find it interesting they say it won't be a prequel, but a "reimaging". > >> (Lord--the last reimaged movie I saw was Tim Burton's laughable "Planet > >> of the > >> Apes"! Gotta be better than that!). I also note that just about every > >> writer, > >> director, and producer I read references The Next Generation as the > >> standard > >> Trek of the modern era. I get it that TNG had lots of action, a starship > >> as > >> base, and great characters. It's probably overall the most easily > >> accessible > >> Trek show to casual fans and non-fans. Still, it bothers me that the > >> best > >> overall *written* show is almost never discussed: Deep Space Nine. How > >> many > >> people realize that the much-heralded new Battlestar Galactica series' > >> Ronald > >> Moore found his footing on DS9 with the stories of the Prophets and the > >> Dominon > >> War? > >> >> the more I see how DS9 is almost always overlooked, the more I > >> realize a > >> dream of a movie based on the best of the Trek series is a long shot at > >> best... > >> >> > >> >> ***************** > >> >> http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1554046/story.jhtml > >> >> 'Star Trek' Writers Talk Direction, Technobabble â But Not Matt > >> Damon > >> >> 'With this one we're going for the broad audience to bring people > >> into "Trek" > >> for the first time,' Roberto Orci says. > >> >> By Josh Horowitz > >> >> If Batman and Superman can be reborn, why not Captain Kirk and Mr. > >> Spock? On > >> Christmas Day 2008, the storied "Star Trek" franchise will begin anew on > >> the big > >> screen, and its creators are almost as ecstatic as the series' famously > >> obsessive fans. > >> >> "We just got the green light! We have a release date and everything," > >> said > >> Alex Kurtzman, co-screenwriter of the eagerly anticipated new "Trek" > >> adventure. > >> Kurtzman and collaborator Roberto Orci, who are also executive producers > >> of the > >> project â and veterans of "Transformers" and "Mission: Impossible III" > >> â > >> spoke exclusively to > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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