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Astromancer wrote:
> Like I said...It worked too well...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I
> do not agree. Good examples of it being done well are after Marcus
> died on B5and Buffy's mom or Tara. They both ripped my heart out. But
> I stayed loyal. I do not think that DS9 had the desired affect on me.
> There was a rumor at the time that they wrote Jadzia off the way they
> did because she left to do Becker and I watched less until the last few
> episodes. But I was not as engaged into that part of the story either.
> At the time, I liked the actress. She has stared in Beyond Reality
> series I used to watch. That is not to say that others had the same
> response. I do not remember is there was something else I wanted to
> see more, maybe that is why I watched less. However, filling the hole
> with Ezery was distracting. I had to concentrate not to compare even
> though the character was not really ended to exactly replace Jadzia. I
> thought Fred's death on Angle was handled better. They used the viewers
> natural inclination to not want to like the character to develop the
> character
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>
>> That means my summation was correct...You have to remember that it was the
>> end of the series...It was a risk they could afford and a great piece of
>> conflict to build stories on...Come on, Tracey, look at how you feel about
>> the new Dax...It did what it was supposed to! Worf's reaction was no
>> different than yours...That was some really good writing! Not from the
>> standpoint that it created a like-able storyline, but it was effective in
>> provoking a response...Do you not agree?
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I think bringing in
>> the new Dax as a permanent character was a mistake.
>> It made it harder to let go of the other Dax. I think they should have
>> introduced an entirely new character and had the new Dax as an
>> occasional guest star.
>> Astromancer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I think that was the idea...What I see is the writer wanted you to
>>> empathize with those who were affected by her death...Obviously it worked a
>>> little too well...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I hated that death.
>>> The show was never the same after that
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Another one that went unmentioned, despite the overall goofiness of the
>>>> scene- Jadzia Dax's death on DSNine's "Tears of the Prophets". I cried
>>>> over that for days, and never accepted Ezri because she just wasn't Dax.
>>>>
>>>> "B. Smith" wrote: I totally agree.
>>>>
>>>> A couple that got me:
>>>>
>>>> Keffer from Babylon 5. He had an encounter with a Shadow vessel and
>>>> wanted to get evidence in order to force Earthgov into action. He
>>>> pays the ultimate price but proves the Shadows are real.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus Cole from B5. He uses an alien machine to transfer his
>>>> lifeforce into the mortally wounded Ivanova. "I love you."
>>>>
>>>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was stomped into the dirt by most of these but Wash and Shepherd
>>>>> Book really nailed me. I actually cried in the theater because I
>>>>> loved those characters sooooo much. The interplay between Zoey and
>>>>> Kaley as they're setting up to deal with the soon to be coming
>>>>> Reavers is so devastating and Gina Torres was freaking brilliant
>>>>> there. She gives so much with so few words it's almost poetry on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> film
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Have I mentioned how much I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEEE
>>>>> Firefly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bosco
>>>>> --- Martin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of these, Wash's death crushed the breath from me when I saw it. I
>>>>>> actually doubled over in my seat at the theater, and didn't
>>>>>> remember the spectacular ending with River, a "WOW" moment that I
>>>>>> had to experience when I first picked up the DVD. Doyle's death
>>>>>> didn't hurt as much, though it was a wound that kept me from
>>>>>> watching the show for a few weeks afterward. Returning to find
>>>>>> Wesley in the cast was no picnic. Joyce's death wasn't as stunning
>>>>>> as Buffy's reaction to it, watching a powerful woman who'd dealt
>>>>>> with Dracula Himself rendered numb and unable to move. Proved
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Joss'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> gift as a writer. Tara's death was also a masterwork, stark in its
>>>>>> rendering. Takes the viewer seconds of eternity to come to the
>>>>>> reckoning of what happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trip...damn the Killer Bees to the Ninth Circle of Hell. Again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> By ROBIN BROWNFIELD
>>>>>> Source: SyFy Portal
>>>>>> Jan-15-2008
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Death in science-fiction and fantasy shows rarely sticks. In
>>>>>> nearly
>>>>>> every case, the character eventually gets resurrected, cloned,
>>>>>> replaced
>>>>>> by an alternate dimension replica, returned by the powers that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> be,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> continue to haunt and entertain as ghostly versions of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On occasion, though, a character dies and stays dead, or at least
>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>> dead. Since weââ,¬â"¢re in the dead of winter, I thought it would
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> warm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> hearts to remember 10 of the most moving deaths that stuck in the
>>>>>> past
>>>>>> 10 years as we continue to celebrate the 10th anniversary of SyFy
>>>>>> Portal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Allen Doyle from "Angel." -- Joss Whedon loves to kill off
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> beloved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> characters, and I have to struggle hard not to make this entire
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> consist of Whedonverse characters. Still, Doyle deserves mention
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> just as we grew completely smitten with him, and as it seemed he
>>>>>> finally
>>>>>> won Cordeliaââ,¬â"¢s heart, he gets all heroic and sacrifices himself
>>>>>> to save
>>>>>> his fellow benign demons and half-demons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What made his death even more poignant was the eventual real
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> life
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> drug-overdose death of troubled actor Glenn Quinn. No magic was
>>>>>> ever
>>>>>> going to bring him back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Winifred "Fred" Berkle from "Angel" -- While actress Amy Acker
>>>>>> remained
>>>>>> on the show till the end, her character, Fred, the sweet brainy
>>>>>> waif and
>>>>>> love interest of many, died a sudden death just as she finally
>>>>>> showed
>>>>>> romantic interest in the ill-fated Wesley Wyndham-Price. We felt
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> intense grief of the showââ,¬â"¢s most tragic character as the life
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> woman he loved slipped through his fingers and disappeared, with
>>>>>> no hope
>>>>>> of ever bringing her back. Of course, her body still remained as
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> long-winded, leather-clad, blue god Illyria.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoban "Wash" Washburn from "Firefly" and "Serenity" -- Granted
>>>>>> Wash died
>>>>>> in the theatrical movie, "Serenity," but we all know theyââ,¬â"¢re
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> thing. I had the privilege of seeing screenings of "Serenity"
>>>>>> before its
>>>>>> general release date. As was the case of nearly everyone else in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> theater the first time around, I was mesmerized by the movie,
>>>>>> totally
>>>>>> immersed in the story, and then it happened. Suddenly, and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> without
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> warning, Wash was dead, impaled through the chest by a giant
>>>>>> spear! I
>>>>>> believe in the next 10 to 15 minutes of the film, I was in shock,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> yet still while reeling from Washââ,¬â"¢s death, within moments I
>>>>>> found myself
>>>>>> laughing -- at Jayne, and then Kaylee -- and feeling really
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> guilty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it. Upon subsequent viewings of the movie, we learned we actually
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> warning that Wash would die, but I had forgotten than Joss loves
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> impale us in our collective chests, and then proceed to ripping
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> hearts out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joyce Summers from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- "The Body," the
>>>>>> episode about the death of Buffyââ,¬â"¢s mother, is possibly one of
>>>>>> the finest
>>>>>> episodes of television ever. From the moment Buffy discovers her
>>>>>> motherââ,¬â"¢s dead body to the wishful thoughts and
>>>>>> mundane-yet-special
>>>>>> memories that pass through Buffyââ,¬â"¢s mind as sheââ,¬â"¢s dealing
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> reality of her motherââ,¬â"¢s death, we become Buffy. Everything she
>>>>>> did, the
>>>>>> sounds of life as normal going on in the background as her entire
>>>>>> world
>>>>>> has changed, the futile attempts to revive her mother, the
>>>>>> starkness of
>>>>>> the sunlight ââ,¬" all make us feel it is happening to us as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> didnââ,¬â"¢t
>>>>>> originally see this series in order or from the beginning, and
>>>>>> while I
>>>>>> liked it enough, I never took it seriously until I saw this
>>>>>> episode. It
>>>>>> was responsible for my becoming a fan of the entire body of Joss
>>>>>> Whedonââ,¬â"¢s work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joyce did show up again in Season 7 as ââ,¬Å"The First,ââ,¬Â? but that
>>>>>> doesnââ,¬â"¢t
>>>>>> count as a revived character ââ,¬" as she was evil, out of
>>>>>> character, and
>>>>>> not a continued presence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tara Maclay from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- For almost three
>>>>>> seasons,
>>>>>> she was a favorite Scooby, Willowââ,¬â"¢s girlfriend, the kindest,
>>>>>> sweetest
>>>>>> character in the stable of Buffy characters, and then suddenly,
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> warning, she was dead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Johnston Green from "Jericho" -- Johnston Green was the voice of
>>>>>> reason,
>>>>>> the anchor, and a well-grounded central character in Jericho.
>>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>> McRaney owned this character, made us love him, and made us rely
>>>>>> on him
>>>>>> to keep the other citizens of Jericho sane. Then he died at the
>>>>>> end of
>>>>>> the first season! We all know that as bad as things had been in
>>>>>> Jericho
>>>>>> and the rest of the United States, all hell is going to break
>>>>>> loose in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Season 2 without him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonathan Kent from "Smallville" -- Granted, when word got out
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> main character was going to die on "Smallville," I had two
>>>>>> reactions.
>>>>>> One was "Yeah, yeah. They say that almost every week, and dead
>>>>>> Chloe or
>>>>>> Lana always come back!" My other reaction was that if anyone
>>>>>> really did
>>>>>> die on the show, it would be Pa Kent, because thatââ,¬â"¢s the way it
>>>>>> always
>>>>>> happens in Superman lore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldnââ,¬â"¢t stand Jonathan Kent. He was always so preachy and on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> moral high-ground, often to the point where I wanted to slap his
>>>>>> tilted
>>>>>> head. Still, when he died, not only was it heart-breaking and
>>>>>> dramatic,
>>>>>> but it resulted in some of the best-acted and crafted episodes in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> entire series. It also resulted in Clark moving away from the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> dumb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> farm
>>>>>> boy ââ,¬Å"Gee, Dad, Iââ,¬â"¢m sorryââ,¬Â? scenarios and onto doing
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> Supermanly things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ellen Tigh from "Battlestar Galactica" -- While Ellen Tigh
>>>>>> wasnââ,¬â"¢t the
>>>>>> most lovable or sympathetic character in BSG ââ,¬" or any series
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> matter ââ,¬" her death was perhaps more tragic than most. She
>>>>>> betrayed the
>>>>>> human insurgents on New Caprica by giving information about the
>>>>>> insurgents' plans to the Cylons, but she did this to protect the
>>>>>> life of
>>>>>> her husband, Col. Saul Tigh. In an ironic turn, her betrayal of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> humans was discovered, and it was her own husband who killed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> her,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> knowing she did everything to protect him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charles "Trip" Tucker from "Star Trek: Enterprise" -- The most
>>>>>> tragic
>>>>>> thing about the death of Trip Tucker was that it was executed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> very
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> poorly and it was a stupid death. It was embarrassing to watch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> one
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> of my
>>>>>> favorite characters for the series walking the jerky monkey walk
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> death. It was completely a product of bad writing in one of the
>>>>>> worst
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
>>>>> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know these things that happen,
>>>>> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
>>>>> And I can't help but wonder,
>>>>> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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