think it was SciFi, I'm sure it wasn't PBS -------------- Original message -------------- From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Keith, I want to say that either PBS or Skiffy aired it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the "Ultraviolet" we're discussing came on TV several years ago (can't remember which US channel aired it). It's a British series about a government organization that is trying to stop the vamps. It treats the vampyrs more as a separate species. The vamps even claim that they want to live in peace and that they're trying to find alternative food sources so that they don't have to feed on humans. They try to position themselves as a persecuted minority group. It's a great series, very British in being more intelligent and slower-paced than what America would give you. It has some great moments in it, especially one where a Black member of the government agency (played by Idras Elba) is locked in a hangar with the vamps just as the sun is setting. Powerful scene, as he calls another agent for whom he has feelings as the creatures are about to stir, to say a type of goodbye. Highly recommend renting it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A590843 Now, if you were thinking about the "Ultraviolet" movie from B-movie queen Mila Jovovich, heck no, no miniseries made based on that dreck! -------------- Original message -------------- From: Astromancer There was an Ultraviolet miniseries??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never seen "Red Dwarf"--I know, I know! But I hear you. I still shudder at the memory of when the great miniseries "Ultraviolet" was going to be given an American treatment. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Martin Keith, re that "Red Dwarf" knockoff- yes, was, it aired, and thank your lucky stars that you missed it. I didn't. Bad does not *begin* to get around the concept. IMO, like all British shows that American networks try to pick up, they couldn't grasp the collective essence of the show initially, then made the more egregious sin of Americanizing it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to one source--Wikipedia--it was contract disputes. She asked for more money and they dumped her. I get why she wanted to leave DS9 after six years, but I never thought Becker was quite the right vehicle for her. Too bad something like "Desperate Housewives" wasn't around at the time. Hey, the Wiki I read revealed too interesting things. One, Farrell auditioned for a US version of the Brit scifi series "Red Dwarf". I never knew there was an attempt to create a US version of that show. The other thing is that in 2001, a dude named William Kwong Yu Yeung discovered a new asteroid, and named it 26734 Terryfarrell in her honour. Talk about a fan! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Farrell_%28actress%29 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > I agree about the time provided for the viewer to get over her - one > season. Its not that I did not like Ezri, I did. I liked the episode > with Worf and how thy tried to develop the character as well. However, I > still think, with only a season left to grieve and adapt to the new > character, by the time you got over the death and used to the new > character, the entire series was over. I guess I just always wanted to > be Jadzia when I grew up. Sigh... By the way, they ended up dumping > her from Becker and her career has never been the same. Does anyone > know what that was about? > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i think the main problem was that she was only on the show for a year, and > > we > all knew the series was ending. There was no time for the character to really > get established and integrated into the show. I liked her though, because her > character demonstrated that in war, sh** happens, and you don't have a choice > sometimes as to what you do. Jadzia dies, the symbiote needs a new host, > she's > in the area. I think i was more okay with it than a lot of y'all because i > took > it for that: an emergency over which no one had control. Remember that Ezri > never even wanted to host one of the big slugs. She was also very young, > nervous about a new posting ,and full of the standard concerns anyone in her > position would have. Again, not having trained as a candidate for a joining, > she > wasn't walking around with all the arrogance, confidence, and talent that > people > like Jadzia possessed in order to quality as a host. > > > > So i was able to view her awkwardness, insecurity, uncertainty, and > > difficulty > along those lines. I was then able to cut her some slack. As you may > remember, I > was all but in love with Jadzia: she was feisty, funny, smart, tough, pretty, > sexy, statuesque. Truly an attractive woman. Ezri was slight in build, > girlish > looking, self-effacing, unsure. She was so different from Jadzia I was able > to > say "at least they didn't try to get a Jadzia clone", then relax and let her > character try to establish itself. I also enjoyed a few things they did with > her, such as all the confusion with Worf as they sorted their feelings out > for > each other. When they made love that one time, and Ezri later said "it wasn't > even that good" (or something like that) I started liking her. It seemed that > at > that point she started finding her confidence, both as a joined being, and > simply as a young woman learning to assert herself. She could never replace > my > Jadzia, but I quit trying to make her do so. At that > > point i really started liking Ezri. > > > > The one thing I wasn't crazy about was Julian falling for her, cause i > > figured > it was really Jadzia he was pining for. But, I guess they tried to take the > angle that just as Worf was trying to recapture Jadzia, so was Julian. But in > time he learned to love Ezri for herself. > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > > > > > > >> I think bringing in the new Dax as a permanent character was a mistake. > >> It made it harder to let go of the other Dax. I think they should have > >> introduced an entirely new character and had the new Dax as an > >> occasional guest star. > >> Astromancer wrote: > >> > >>> I think that was the idea...What I see is the writer wanted you to > >>> empathize > >>> > >> with those who were affected by her death...Obviously it worked a little > >> too > >> well... > >> > >>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > >>> > >> wrote: I hated that death. The > >> show was never the same after that > >> > >>> Martin wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Another one that went unmentioned, despite the overall goofiness of the > >>>> > >> scene- Jadzia Dax's death on DSNine's "Tears of the Prophets". I cried > >> over > that > >> for days, and never accepted Ezri because she just wasn't Dax.. > >> > >>>> "B. Smith" wrote: I totally agree. > >>>> > >>>> A couple that got me: > >>>> > >>>> Keffer from Babylon 5. He had an encounter with a Shadow vessel and > >>>> wanted to get evidence in order to force Earthgov into action. He > >>>> pays the ultimate price but proves the Shadows are real. > >>>> > >>>> Marcus Cole from B5. He uses an alien machine to transfer his > >>>> lifeforce into the mortally wounded Ivanova. "I love you." > >>>> > >>>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I was stomped into the dirt by most of these but Wash and Shepherd > >>>>> Book really nailed me. I actually cried in the theater because I > >>>>> loved those characters sooooo much. The interplay between Zoey and > >>>>> Kaley as they're setting up to deal with the soon to be coming > >>>>> Reavers is so devastating and Gina Torres was freaking brilliant > >>>>> there. She gives so much with so few words it's almost poetry on > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> film > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Have I mentioned how much I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEEE > >>>>> Firefly? > >>>>> > >>>>> Bosco > >>>>> --- Martin wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Of these, Wash's death crushed the breath from me when I saw it. I > >>>>>> actually doubled over in my seat at the theater, and didn't > >>>>>> remember the spectacular ending with River, a "WOW" moment that I > >>>>>> had to experience when I first picked up the DVD. Doyle's death > >>>>>> didn't hurt as much, though it was a wound that kept me from > >>>>>> watching the show for a few weeks afterward. Returning to find > >>>>>> Wesley in the cast was no picnic. Joyce's death wasn't as stunning > >>>>>> as Buffy's reaction to it, watching a powerful woman who'd dealt > >>>>>> with Dracula Himself rendered numb and unable to move. Proved > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Joss' > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> gift as a writer. Tara's death was also a masterwork, stark in its > >>>>>> rendering. Takes the viewer seconds of eternity to come to the > >>>>>> reckoning of what happened. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Trip...damn the Killer Bees to the Ninth Circle of Hell. Again. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> By ROBIN BROWNFIELD > >>>>>> Source: SyFy Portal > >>>>>> Jan-15-2008 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Death in science-fiction and fantasy shows rarely sticks. In > >>>>>> nearly > >>>>>> every case, the character eventually gets resurrected, cloned, > >>>>>> replaced > >>>>>> by an alternate dimension replica, returned by the powers that > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> be, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> or > >>>>>> continue to haunt and entertain as ghostly versions of > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> themselves. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> On occasion, though, a character dies and stays dead, or at least > >>>>>> mostly > >>>>>> dead. Since weââ,¬â"¢re in the dead of winter, I thought it would > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> warm > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> hearts to remember 10 of the most moving deaths that stuck in the > >>>>>> past > >>>>>> 10 years as we continue to celebrate the 10th anniversary of SyFy > >>>>>> Portal. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Allen Doyle from "Angel." -- Joss Whedon loves to kill off > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> beloved > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> characters, and I have to struggle hard not to make this entire > >>>>>> list > >>>>>> consist of Whedonverse characters. Still, Doyle deserves mention > >>>>>> because > >>>>>> > >>>>>> just as we grew completely smitten with him, and as it seemed he > >>>>>> finally > >>>>>> won Cordeliaââ,¬â"¢s heart, he gets all heroic and sacrifices himself > >>>>>> to save > >>>>>> his fellow benign demons and half-demons. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What made his death even more poignant was the eventual real > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> life > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> drug-overdose death of troubled actor Glenn Quinn. No magic was > >>>>>> ever > >>>>>> going to bring him back. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Winifred "Fred" Berkle from "Angel" -- While actress Amy Acker > >>>>>> remained > >>>>>> on the show till the end, her character, Fred, the sweet brainy > >>>>>> waif and > >>>>>> love interest of many, died a sudden death just as she finally > >>>>>> showed > >>>>>> romantic interest in the ill-fated Wesley Wyndham-Price. We felt > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> intense grief of the showââ,¬â"¢s most tragic character as the life > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> of > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> woman he loved slipped through his fingers and disappeared, with > >>>>>> no hope > >>>>>> of ever bringing her back. Of course, her body still remained as > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> long-winded, leather-clad, blue god Illyria. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hoban "Wash" Washburn from "Firefly" and "Serenity" -- Granted > >>>>>> Wash died > >>>>>> in the theatrical movie, "Serenity," but we all know theyââ,¬â"¢re > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> same > >>>>>> thing. I had the privilege of seeing screenings of "Serenity" > >>>>>> before its > >>>>>> general release date. As was the case of nearly everyone else in > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> theater the first time around, I was mesmerized by the movie, > >>>>>> totally > >>>>>> immersed in the story, and then it happened. Suddenly, and > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> without > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> warning, Wash was dead, impaled through the chest by a giant > >>>>>> spear! I > >>>>>> believe in the next 10 to 15 minutes of the film, I was in shock, > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> yet still while reeling from Washââ,¬â"¢s death, within moments I > >>>>>> found myself > >>>>>> laughing -- at Jayne, and then Kaylee -- and feeling really > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> guilty > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> about > >>>>>> it. Upon subsequent viewings of the movie, we learned we actually > >>>>>> had > >>>>>> warning that Wash would die, but I had forgotten than Joss loves > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> impale us in our collective chests, and then proceed to ripping > >>>>>> our > >>>>>> hearts out. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Joyce Summers from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- "The Body," the > >>>>>> episode about the death of Buffyââ,¬â"¢s mother, is possibly one of > >>>>>> the finest > >>>>>> episodes of television ever. From the moment Buffy discovers her > >>>>>> motherââ,¬â"¢s dead body to the wishful thoughts and > >>>>>> mundane-yet-special > >>>>>> memories that pass through Buffyââ,¬â"¢s mind as sheââ,¬â"¢s dealing > with > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> reality of her motherââ,¬â"¢s death, we become Buffy. Everything she > >>>>>> did, the > >>>>>> sounds of life as normal going on in the background as her entire > >>>>>> world > >>>>>> has changed, the futile attempts to revive her mother, the > >>>>>> starkness of > >>>>>> the sunlight ââ,¬" all make us feel it is happening to us as well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> I > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> didnââ,¬â"¢t > >>>>>> originally see this series in order or from the beginning, and > >>>>>> while I > >>>>>> liked it enough, I never took it seriously until I saw this > >>>>>> episode. It > >>>>>> was responsible for my becoming a fan of the entire body of Joss > >>>>>> Whedonââ,¬â"¢s work. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Joyce did show up again in Season 7 as ââ,¬Å"The First,ââ,¬Â? but > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> doesnââ,¬â"¢t > >>>>>> count as a revived character ââ,¬" as she was evil, out of > >>>>>> character, and > >>>>>> not a continued presence. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tara Maclay from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- For almost three > >>>>>> seasons, > >>>>>> she was a favorite Scooby, Willowââ,¬â"¢s girlfriend, the kindest, > >>>>>> sweetest > >>>>>> character in the stable of Buffy characters, and then suddenly, > >>>>>> without > >>>>>> warning, she was dead. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Johnston Green from "Jericho" -- Johnston Green was the voice of > >>>>>> reason, > >>>>>> the anchor, and a well-grounded central character in Jericho. > >>>>>> Gerald > >>>>>> McRaney owned this character, made us love him, and made us rely > >>>>>> on him > >>>>>> to keep the other citizens of Jericho sane. Then he died at the > >>>>>> end of > >>>>>> the first season! We all know that as bad as things had been in > >>>>>> Jericho > >>>>>> and the rest of the United States, all hell is going to break > >>>>>> loose in > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> Season 2 without him. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jonathan Kent from "Smallville" -- Granted, when word got out > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> that > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> main character was going to die on "Smallville," I had two > >>>>>> reactions. > >>>>>> One was "Yeah, yeah. They say that almost every week, and dead > >>>>>> Chloe or > >>>>>> Lana always come back!" My other reaction was that if anyone > >>>>>> really did > >>>>>> die on the show, it would be Pa Kent, because thatââ,¬â"¢s the way it > >>>>>> always > >>>>>> happens in Superman lore. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I couldnââ,¬â"¢t stand Jonathan Kent. He was always so preachy and on > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> moral high-ground, often to the point where I wanted to slap his > >>>>>> tilted > >>>>>> head. Still, when he died, not only was it heart-breaking and > >>>>>> dramatic, > >>>>>> but it resulted in some of the best-acted and crafted episodes in > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> entire series. It also resulted in Clark moving away from the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> dumb > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> farm > >>>>>> boy ââ,¬Å"Gee, Dad, Iââ,¬â"¢m sorryââ,¬Â? scenarios and onto doing > more > >>>>>> Supermanly things. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ellen Tigh from "Battlestar Galactica" -- While Ellen Tigh > >>>>>> wasnââ,¬â"¢t the > >>>>>> most lovable or sympathetic character in BSG ââ,¬" or any series > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> for > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> matter ââ,¬" her death was perhaps more tragic than most. 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