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-------------- Original message -------------- From: Bosco Bosco if you'd like some more insight into the culpability of the Times, the Post and other bastions of the "liberal media," check out Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media. That the left's foremost thinker is essentially unknown in his own country underscores the idea that the various "liberal media" outlets are as liberal as the multi-national corporations that own them. If that's not enough evidence, try to find an article by Greg Palast published in a paper in the US. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Martin, you read my mind!! I was just stomping around the house > today saying the very same thing. The Times released a statement > today saying in effect, "we don't ever publish anything unless > we've checked the facts", and i immediately said, "oh, like you > fact-checked the *dozens* of articles you gave front page space to > supporting Bush's dumb ass lies?". I've listened to Bill Moyers' > "Buying the War" program half a dozen times, and the Times was as > culpabe, as criminally, unforgivably *wrong*, as everyone else. I > can honestly say I don't when my respect for them and many other > supposedly free-thinking outlets will ever be restored. > Guess it's Tavis Smiley and "Democracy Now" and McClatchy for me! > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Martin > One thing that strikes me as funny in this is that the > right-wingers are all decrying this, painting the Times as "that > liberal rag". How quickly they forget that, back during the run-up > to the War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), the Times was right in > lockstep with the GOP in prosecuting the War. I guess they're only > good as long as they're spouting *your* propaganda... > > ravenadal wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist > > McCain says report on lobbyist not true By LIBBY QUAID, Associated > > 1 hour, 44 minutes ago > > > John McCain emphatically denied a romantic relationship with a > female > telecommunications lobbyist on Thursday and said a report by The > New > York Times suggesting favoritism for her clients is "not true." > > "I'm very disappointed in the article. It's not true," the likely > Republican presidential nominee said as his wife, Cindy, stood > beside > him during a news conference called to address the matter. > > "I've served this nation honorably for more than half a century," > said McCain, a four-term Arizona senator and former Navy pilot. "At > > no time have I ever done anything that would betray the public > trust." > > "I intend to move on," he added. > > McCain described the woman in question, lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as a > > friend. > > The newspaper quoted anonymous aides as saying they had urged > McCain > and Iseman to stay away from each other prior to his failed > presidential campaign in 2000. In its own follow-up story, The > Washington Post quoted longtime aide John Weaver, who split with > McCain last year, as saying he met with lobbyist Iseman and urged > her > to steer clear of McCain. > > Weaver told the Times he arranged the meeting before the 2000 > campaign after "a discussion among the campaign leadership" about > Iseman. > > But McCain said he was unaware of any such conversation, and denied > > that his aides ever tried to talk to him about his interactions > with > Iseman. > > "I never discussed it with John Weaver. As far as I know, there was > > no necessity for it," McCain said. "I don't know anything about > it," > he added. "John Weaver is a friend of mine. He remains a friend of > mine. But I certainly didn't know anything of that nature." > > His wife also said she was disappointed with the newspaper. > > "More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but > > know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our > family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great > character," Cindy McCain said. > > The couple smiled throughout the questioning at a Toledo hotel. > > "We think the story speaks for itself," Times executive editor Bill > > Keller said in a written statement Thursday. "On the timing, our > policy is we publish stories when they are ready." > > McCain's remaining rival for the Republican nomination, former > Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, called McCain "a good decent honorable > > man" and said he accepted McCain's response. > > "I've campaigned now on the same stage or platform with John McCain > > for 14 months. I only know him to be a man of integrity," Huckabee > said in Houston. "Today he denied any of that was true. I take him > at > his word. For me to get into it is completely immaterial." > > The published reports said McCain and Iseman each denied having a > romantic relationship. Neither story asserted that there was a > romantic relationship and offered no evidence that there was, > reporting only that aides worried about the appearance of McCain > having close ties to a lobbyist with business before the Senate > Commerce Committee on which McCain served. > > The stories also allege that McCain wrote letters and pushed > legislation involving television station ownership that would have > benefited Iseman's clients. > > In late 1999, McCain twice wrote letters to the Federal > Communications Commission on behalf of Florida-based Paxson > Communications � which had paid Iseman as its lobbyist � urging > quick > consideration of a proposal to buy a television station license in > Pittsburgh. At the time, Paxson's chief executive, Lowell W. "Bud" > Paxson, also was a major contributor to McCain's 2000 presidential > campaign. > > McCain did not urge the FCC commissioners to approve the proposal, > but he asked for speedy consideration of the deal, which was > pending > from two years earlier. In an unusual response, then-FCC Chairman > William Kennard complained that McCain's request "comes at a > sensitive time in the deliberative process" and "could have > procedural and substantive impacts on the commission's > deliberations > and, thus, on the due process rights of the parties." > > McCain wrote the letters after he received more than $20,000 in > contributions from Paxson executives and lobbyists. Paxson also > lent > McCain his company's jet at least four times during 1999 for > campaign > travel. > > "Riding on the airplane was an accepted practice," McCain said > Thursday, adding that he supported a change in rules since then. As > > for the letters, he said: "I said I'm not telling you how to make a > > decision; I'm just telling you that you should move forward and > make > a decision on this issue. I believe that was appropriate." > > Since The New York Times story was published Wednesday night, the > McCain campaign has sought to discredit it, distributing lengthy > statements and deploying senior advisers to appear on news shows. > The > campaign calls the story a smear campaign to destroy the Republican > > nominee-in-waiting. > > Keller, the Times editor, explained that the paper's judgment that > the story was ready to print "means the facts have been nailed down > > to our satisfaction, the subjects have all been given a full and > fair > chance to respond, and the reporting has been written up with all > the > proper context and caveats. This story was no exception. It was a > long time in the works. It reached my desk late Tuesday afternoon. > After a final edit and a routine check by our lawyers, we published > > it." > > Robert Bennett, a Washington attorney representing McCain, told > NBC's "Today" show that McCain's staff provided the Times > with "approximately 12 instances where Senator McCain took > positions > adverse to this lobbyist's clients and her public relations firm's > clients," but none of the examples were included in the paper's > story. > > "There is no evidence that John McCain ever breached the public > trust > and that is the issue and the only issue," said Bennett, who once > represented former President Clinton, on Thursday. > > McCain said he won't allow the reports to distract him from his > presidential campaign. > > "I will focus my attention in this campaign on the big issues and > on > the challenges that face this country," he said. > > He defended his integrity last December, after he was questioned > about reports that the Times was investigating allegations of > legislative favoritism by the Arizona Republican and that his aides > > had been trying to dissuade the newspaper from publishing a story. > > "I've never done any favors for anybody � lobbyist or special- > interest group. That's a clear, 24-year record," he told reporters. > > === message truncated === I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A Country" --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
