Yes I remember the episode that you are talking about when Riker fell in love were there was a planet with no gender. Out of all of the Star Trek series the only one that pushed the envelope just a little was DS9. I consider that show the step child of the series due to the fact it was a series that did not follow the line of a perfect future. --Lavender
From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:11 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Looking back at Star Trek and Leonard Nimoy's views I think that they were afraid to show any overt situations between to same sex couples but there were subtle things that were mentioned in the show. For example, the episode when Data was kidnapped by a trader (I don't know the name of the episode) the trader alluded that he preferred to "have Data in the nude." He also implied that he had performed a 3way with him and the female servant. Another example was a conversation Riker had with Troi. He and the ship was under the influence of a being and went to visit Troi in her quarters. She another officer was leaving when he entered. He mentioned his distaste of her being with other men and women on the ship. There was also the episode where Riker fell in love with a programmer from another planet that was of a race of people that were sexless. DS9 did have a girl/girl kiss between the Trill and another woman. Anyone remember this stuff? I am working from memory on this. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:42 PM, <wlro...@aol.com> wrote: I think the one thing that Star Trek lacked were gay characters. I mean it was suggested before a show aired but then when it does, no characters are found. --Lavender From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:31 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Looking back at Star Trek and Leonard Nimoy's views Looking back at Star Trek and Leonard Nimoy's views By Ruth Rosen - May 7, 2009, 11:59PM As a new Star Trek film enters our cultural landscape once again, I thought it might be interesting to remember what Star Trek meant to some of us, and, to Leonard Nimoy. In 1991, when Gene Roddenberry died and gay and lesbian characters were just about to join the crew of Star Trek in 24th-Century America, I took the opportunity to think about the cultural importance of Star Trek in our society. This article appeared on the op-ed page of the Los Angeles Times, along with a response by Leonard Nimoy, who responded to what I wrote. Enjoy. Gene Roddenberry, the creator of "Star Trek," was a visionary; the Starship-Enterprise that he launched on TV has traveled widely through American culture. Now, it will again challenge viewers to boldly go where they've never gone before. This season, gays and lesbians will appear unobtrusively aboard the Enterprise in the 24th Century. They weren't "outed," they won't be outcasts; apparently they'll be neither objects of pity nor draw melodramatic attention. Their sexual orientation will be a matter of indifference to the rest of the crew. I'm not otherwise drawn to science fiction, but "Star Trek" taught me a great deal about the tangle of contradictions in contemporary America. During its short initial run between 1966 and 1969, a group of my graduate student friends gathered weekly to watch the show as a reprieve from the news of the Vietnam War. We enjoyed seeing the multiracial crew, debated the eternal struggle between Mr. Spock's logic and Dr. McCoy's emotion, and cheered a transnational federation whose prime directive was to never interfere in another society. Yet "Star Trek" also broadcast the dark side of Cold War liberalism. Capt. Kirk's good intentions smacked of White House rhetoric about saving Vietnam for freedom. Kirk repeatedly found reasons to violate the prime directive. Then we hooted, angry that the federation, too, couldn't resist imposing its values everywhere in the galaxy. Hostilities with the irrational, warlike Klingons seemed as interminable as America's global struggle with communism. The Enterprise stood for democracy, justice and equality, but backed its democratic ideals with weapons of mass destruction. Still, the prime directive expressed a Utopian ideal: the search for a more peaceful and decent world. During "Star Trek's" last original season, some women noticed Kirk's retrograde attitudes toward women. With the women's movement just revving up, we were saddened to think that society wouldn't have changed by the 23rd Century. But "Star Trek" did not lag behind for long. One of the last episodes forced Kirk to live within a woman's body and confront the social constraints of being a female in his world. In 1987, many Trekkies greeted the new, syndicated "Star Trek: The Next Generation" with cool skepticism. But the show had grown up gracefully. Its famous opening line, "To boldly go where no man has gone before" was now: "To boldly go where no one has gone before." The new Capt. Picard, played by the elegant British actor Patrick Stewart, brought a thoughtful, mature masculinity to the role. His key officers, women and minorities, created a multicultural community that prefigured America in the 21st Century. Rather than the fixed scenario of a bipolar Cold War, the Next Generation, like ourselves, faced the surprises of a multipolar world. In "Star Trek," some of us indulged our most idealistic fantasies of a less contentious and more egalitarian America. Like the once-feared Klingons, gays and lesbians joined the Starship Enterprise as respected members of the crew. Not so in the American military, or for that matter, in the state of California. ."Star Trek" may be Utopian but Gene Roddenberry, unlike our current crop of cynical politicians, challenged us to imagine an alternative society." Beam him up, Scotty. > Leonard Nimoy responded: LOS ANGELES TIMES, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 1991 *Vision of 'Star Trek'* I read with a sense of pleasant surprise Ruth Rosen's column about the vision of "Star Trek". She very correctly points out that we preached non- interference in the affairs of other civilizations while simultaneously practicing gunboat diplomacy. We "stood for democracy" but backed our own ideals "with weapons of mass destruction." We did preach racial equality, while doing stories about prejudice within our own ranks. And it is entirely fitting that gays and lesbians "will appear unobtrusively aboard the Enterprise - neither objects of pity nor melodramatic attention." My satisfaction with Rosen's perceptions stem from the fact that while recognizing the dichotomies, there is a strength revealed in "Star Trek's" ability to confront and work with the flaws within our own house. > And yes, as Rosen points out, "hostilities with the irrational Klingons seemed as interminable as America's global struggle with communism." This specifically is the issue raised in what will be the final motion picture of the series, "Star Trek VI, the Undiscovered Country," which opens in December. > > LEONARD NIMOY > Beverly Hills > People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
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