The first Saw got rave reviews and Danny Glover. I was curious, good and disturbing. But over and over to me is just sadistic. Also more than once and many variations is not original.
It been a long time, but I do not remember the first saw being about a crazed cannibalistic serial killer From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I can't do that kind of thing once. I can watch any manner of alien or supernatural movie, but anything that's based in reality--in terms of regular humans--I tend not to watch. I'm not too worried about Frankenstein's Monster or Dracula showing up on my doorstep. But a crazed, cannibalistic serial killer? Unlikey (one hopes) but not impossible. I like the fantasy line separating the impossible from the possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:12:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I don't do "torture porn" either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of his buddies. I forget the name--"The Cave"?--but it was about the usual group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _____ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a transformers DVD instead, based on those previews -----Original Message----- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, "One Million Years B.C."). Pam Grier was used and abused (raped and beaten up)in all her movies before she was allowed to kick triumphant butt. Liz Taylor is perhaps the exception that proves the rule but she, too, was slapped around in a number of her iconic roles and the films where she exuded pure female sexual power ("Cleopatra") were not box office hits. And, to be clear about this, the article stated females rejected Fox not for being "too sexy and beautiful" but because of her "pure, raw sexuality," which is something else altogether. Barbie is "too sexy and beautiful." Fox is no Barbie doll. There is an ongoing dynamic going on but you may ignore it if it suits you. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@...> wrote: > > Did I fall asleep? Since when is the pure horror genre driven by female audiences? > And as for women not responding to Fox, is it that she's too sexy and beautiful for them, or (more likely) that she hasn't displayed a range and depth that makes them interested in anything she has to say on screen? I mean, there have been untold numbers of actresses over the years who've been classified as beautiful and sexy in the extreme, from Liz Taylor to Racquel Welch, from Pam Grier to Halle Berry. Such women have always found a female audience, depending on the roles they play. > I think this is more the script and Fox's one-note facial expressions. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelwyn" <ravena...@...> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:39:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > > > > From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009: > > "Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's "sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror movie don't stand a chance. "The genre is driven by the female audience, and I don't know that girls relate to her," says the executive. "Megan leads with pure, raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff." > > Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah Hex," aimed at her core: young guys. > > "If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make sure she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions." > > I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie. > > ~(no)rave! > ------------------------------------ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links _____ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/> now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
