Maybe i'll dive back in. I'm absorbing all the stuff with The Initiative, Dark 
Reign, the return of the Asgardians, the upcoming Siege, the new Black Panther, 
and the now-canceled Dr. Voodoo. I'm also something like two *years* behind on 
the DC books, but am struggling to keep up with the Darkest Night storyline... 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Omari Confer" <clockwork...@gmail.com> 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:49:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses 






I will have to admit that they have since made good by me....the last year was 
great for spidey fans...despite having to by 3 titles per month 

May's wedding and the return of mary jane has sparked the series...but its all 
relative.. 

it sucked with a capital uk for a while so this is just back to form.. 

c w m 




On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 









I actually quit reading the Spider books after "Brand New Day". I am offended 
beyond belief that Marvel saw fit to erase his years with Mary Jane from 
history. The only good thing about it was that it erased that inexplicable, 
idiotic move where Peter outed himself to the public in order to get support 
for the Superhuman Registration Act. That led to May's near-fatal shooting, and 
him and MJ on the run. I think that move was simply to setup a need to get his 
past erased. It was crap. The suits seem to think that a freewheeling Pete is 
more appealing to the teen boys I guess they want to target. 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Omari Confer" < clockwork...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:39:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses 









hmm 

I have to say....I am tired of Spiderman reboots....Heroes Reborn.Brand New 
Day. Spectacular Spiderman. 

Growing up is apparently boring and of no concern to producers.... 

I hate my life. 

c w m 


On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 









I think the franchise was done after Spider-Man 2, for the same reasons: the 
studio wanted "more, more, more!", and with Spider-Man 3, crafted a bloated, 
FX-filled (and bad FX at that, worse than usual) monstrosity of a movie with 
way too many villains, a clunky script, and none of the hear and soul of the 
first two. Personally I've never been super crazy about the Spidey flicks as 
visual spectacles because the CGI has always bothered me: most of the web 
swinging, wall-crawling, and fights are painfully obvious CGI. It was the 
story, the acting, and Raimi's dedication to letting things build, instead of 
just throwing fights at us, that kept me involed. With 3, all the things I 
loved were out the door. It was almost as bad as "Wolverine: X-Men Origins", 
definitely as bad as X3. 
Raimi's return recently to his love with "Drag Me to Hell" showed he wanted to 
do stuff his way again. I read interviews with him where he expressed 
frustration with the studio just wanting to churn out product to make deadlines 
and pull in dollars, so am not at all surprised he's done. The only way he was 
going to do another flick was if the studio gave him the time and freedom to do 
a film the way he wanted, and that's obviously not happening. 

I think the next film will be just adequate, and am in no rush to see it. 
********************************************** 


Spidey Rebooted 

UPDATED: Raimi out! Maguire out! Vulture out! But who's in? 

by Scott Collura 
January 11, 2010 - Damn, Sam Raimi , you've made us proud. As much as we're 
sorry to see you go, we respect the fact that you've stuck to your guns and 
told Sony to stick their webs where the sun don't shine. 

That's right, folks. Sam Raimi has left the Spider-Man franchise, which 
essentially means that Spider-Man 4 is no more and the wallcrawler is now 
getting a from-scratch reboot from the studio instead. Tobey Maguire is also 
done with the red and blue suit, and in fact Sony is saying ( via Twitter ) 
that the reboot will go back to high school with the character and be released 
in 2012. 

Deadline Hollywood 's Nikki Finke had the story first, saying that "Mike 
Fleming and I have just confirmed that Sony Pictures decided today to reboot 
the Spider-Man franchise after franchise director Sam Raimi pulled out of 
Spider-Man 4 because he felt he couldn't make its summer release date and keep 
the film's creative integrity. This means that Raimi and the cast including 
star Tobey Maguire are out. There will be no Spider-Man 4 . Instead, Mike 
Fleming is told, the studio will focus on a reboot script by Jamie Vanderbilt 
with a new director and a new cast. All this took place ... at [a] meeting on 
the lot today." 

DH goes on to say that Raimi insisted he couldn't make Sony's date or "go 
forward creatively. And, so, once he said 'That's it,' Sony Pictures 
co-chairman [Amy] Pascal and Columbia Pictures' Matt Tolmach decided they 
didn't want to replace him and instead chose to reboot the franchise." Points 
to Sony for making the smart choice here. 

We've got a call in to Sony right now and we'll update here as soon as we hear 
back from them! But, dang, this is a big one. 



UPDATED: Here is Sony's official statement on the reboot: "Peter Parker is 
going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer 
of 2012. Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving 
forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a 
teenager dealing with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human 
crises. The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, 
Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin , will have a new cast and 
filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not 
yet gone into production. 

"A decade ago we set out on this journey with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire and 
together we made three Spider-Man films that set a new bar for the genre. When 
we began, no one ever imagined that we would make history at the box-office and 
now we have a rare opportunity to make history once again with this franchise. 
Peter Parker as an ordinary young adult grappling with extraordinary powers has 
always been the foundation that has made this character so timeless and 
compelling for generations of fans. We're very excited about the creative 
possibilities that come from returning to Peter's roots and we look forward to 
working once again with Marvel Studios, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin on this new 
beginning," said Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment. 

"Working on the Spider-Man movies was the experience of a lifetime for me. 
While we were looking forward to doing a fourth one together, the studio and 
Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and 
I know they will do a terrific job," said Sam Raimi. 

"We have had a once-in-a-lifetime collaboration and friendship with Sam and 
Tobey and they have given us their best for the better part of the last 
decade.This is a bittersweet moment for us because while it is hard to imagine 
Spider-Man in anyone else's hands, I know that this was a day that was 
inevitable," said Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures, who has served 
as the studio's chief production executive since the beginning of the 
franchise. "Now everything begins anew, and that's got us all tremendously 
excited about what comes next. Under the continuing supervision of Avi and 
Laura, we have a clear vision for the future of Spider-Man and can't wait to 
share this exciting new direction with audiences in 2012." 

" Spider-Man will always be an important franchise for Sony Pictures and a 
fresh start like this is a responsibility that we all take very seriously," 
said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures. "We have always 
believed that story comes first and story guides the direction of these films. 
As we move onto the next chapter, we will stay true to that principle and will 
do so with the highest respect for the source material and the fans and 
moviegoers who deserve nothing but the best when it comes to bringing these 
stories and characters to life on the big screen." 

The studio will have more news about Spider-Man in 2012 in the coming weeks as 
it prepares for production of the film. 





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