Dang. Well, just reinforces my belief that people of color need to be producing more of our own stories, and those actors of color who do well need to fight the fight as much as possible too. And people of color need to *support* those efforts when they are done.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:17:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish You guys have not read some of the cut out scenes. In one, the native guy that was originally the heroes adversary, has is tail cut off by the big bad marine villain guy. That means he cannot longer connect to the world or have real sex – so in essence--- his dick was cut off. He asks the hero to become leader of the tribe and also to kill him From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:12 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Agreed. I think that's why the whole Avatar angle of not just a human man, but a white human man, getting with an alien woman bothers some people. I have to see the movie to see if it bothers me. But that goes back to the FUBU concept for movies: i can't expect a white guy like Cameron to always think "hey, I've got to put a black man in the lead role", when he already feels he's sending forth some positive messages about the environment, exploitation of indigenous species, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:06:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Its more like white men with any woman of any race. Even aliens! It is a luxury of being in power. They allow themselves too many liberties without much basis rooted in reality. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of life. What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black life. And, Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to showing healthy black male/female couples. It's not that the story is fiction, per se, it's just something I've see way too many times from a movie industry that loves putting white men with black women, but feels as if two black people onscreen is something to be avoided. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that very thing happened. I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated "Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble casting and performance Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even when Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Grayson" <grayson.reyesc...@...> wrote: > > The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and > Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The > Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or > not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie > Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. > > Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no > desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on > this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. > > Grayson > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> wrote: > > > > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, > > Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than > > either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's > > assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged > > detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, > > IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. > > > > ~rave! > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole <grayson.reyescole@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just > > > watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I > > > keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was > > > worth the effort. > > > > > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just > > > because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority > > > because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining > > > how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then > > > he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Grayson Reyes-Cole > > > http://www.graysonreyescole.com > > > Facebook > > > Bright Star > > > The Builder > > > The Prescription Playboy > > > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
