At one point in the late 90s the eulas were over 10 pages long! They seem to be trimming them back a little now. Facebook just had some problems with their eula about a week ago.
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Martin Baxter <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Part of the reason my friend did what he did with his EULA was for exactly > that reason, because so many people don't read the fine print before putting > down their John Hancock. I know I didn't before that. Now, I close my door > to allow mself to read it without interruption. > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Majority of the people do not read the end user agreement or terms of >> service because they are usually very long and complicated. M$ has been >> tinkering around with their eula for a long time. >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Martin Baxter >> <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Mt friend stopped doing it because one of the few folks who noticed it >>> threatened to call the cops if he tried to call in the claim. Another friend >>> of ours, a lawyer, said that he had a fair chance of winning the case, but >>> it would cost him cash that he didn't have. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I remember back in the early 90s a software company did something >>>> similar. They offered a piece of software that was an SDK and said that if >>>> anyone sells a product with it they would have to pay them $10k, which was >>>> an outrageous amount of money at the time. It worked twice for them until >>>> there was a lawsuit behind it. The creators of the SDK lost in court. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Martin Baxter >>>> <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Makes me wonder how many people even bother to read those end-user >>>>> agreements. Back in the early Naughts, a friend of mine created a WP >>>>> software system and posted it, free for all, on his website. In the EUA, >>>>> he >>>>> included the line that "Any one who downloads this immediately cedes all >>>>> rights to their immortal soul to me." He had over 5600 downloads, and only >>>>> three people caught that language. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In M$'s end user agreement they can also revoke usage at any time. >>>>>> They have been doing stuff like this on the sly for a long time. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter < >>>>>> martinbaxt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of >>>>>>> M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - By Brian X. Chen<http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Email Author] <brianxc...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> - June 29, 2010 | >>>>>>> - 8:07 pm | >>>>>>> - Categories: >>>>>>> Miscellaneous<http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse >>>>>>> clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the >>>>>>> world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way >>>>>>> millions >>>>>>> of people work. >>>>>>> “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to >>>>>>> do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its >>>>>>> productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta >>>>>>> version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the >>>>>>> program, >>>>>>> Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional >>>>>>> 600 >>>>>>> people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where >>>>>>> Carlevato and >>>>>>> her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read More >>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody >>>>>>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >>>>>> Mahogany at: >>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody >>>>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >>>> Mahogany at: >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody >>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >> Mahogany at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >> > > > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
