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From: Valerie Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 5:53 AM
Subject: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #420
>take me off this list.
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>Subject: scots-l-digest V1 #420
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>>
>> scots-l-digest Thursday, October 17 2002 Volume 01 : Number
>420
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>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:24:38 -0700
>> From: Tappan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [scots-l] Re: Shetland Fiddler, The
>>
>> In my copy of the Edcath Collection, the Shetland Fiddler appears on
>> page 60, and it says it was *arranged* by Pipe-Major D.S. Ramsay - it
>> doesn't say he wrote it. The attributions are pretty clear in the
>> book (and not all tunes have attributions), where composers are
>> noted, it mostly says "by xxx", or sometimes someone's name (without
>> the "by") is listed, and that too looks like the person wrote it
>> ("G.Redpath, Leven" for example).In some cases I know the composer,
>> and they have attributed the tune to the correct composer.
>>
>> In the preface, it says "Pipe-Major Donald Shaw Ramsay of the
>> Edinburgh City Police Pipe Band, winners of the 1950 World's Pipe
>> Band Championship, has spared no pains in compiling this unique book,
>> and he feels that it will be welcomed by pipers, drummers and pipe
>> bands generally, at home and abroad. He wishes to express his thanks
>> to those who sent in pipe tunes, and particularly to those drummers
>> who readily lent their support by producing scores to suit. Many
>> tunes contained herein are original compositions."
>>
>> It doesn't look as if Ramsay wrote the Shetland Fiddler, just that he
>> arranged it, as he did for many other tunes in the book, including
>> Laird of Drumblair. He did write several other tunes in the book
>> apparently - the ones that just have his name and not the "arr."
>> before the name.
>>
>> For what it's worth...
>>
>> Jan Tappan
>>
>> >Ted Hastings wrote:
>> >
>> >> This tune also appears in Jerry Holland's Collection of Fiddle Tunes.
>> >> According to a footnote there, the tune first appeared in a pipe
>> >> setting in "The Edcath Collection" Vol. 1, 1954 by Donald Shaw
>> >> Ramsay.
>> >
>> >Ah that solves it. Thanks, Ted.
>> >
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>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:42:06 -0400
>> From: Maggie Mcgregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [scots-l] Re: David Glen collection?
>>
>> I need to unsubscribe to this list however the instructions provided
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>>
>> Wayne Morrison wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks to all who've responded. Gunther Haussknecht provided me with a
>copy
>> > of the page I needed. Many thanks to him for his assistance!
>> >
>> > Wayne
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>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:46:14 +0200
>> From: "Ted Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: [scots-l] Re: Shetland Fiddler, The
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:owner-scots-l@;argyll.wisemagic.com]On Behalf Of Tappan
>> > Sent: 16 October 2002 19:25
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: [scots-l] Re: Shetland Fiddler, The
>> >
>> >
>> > In my copy of the Edcath Collection, the Shetland Fiddler appears on
>> > page 60, and it says it was *arranged* by Pipe-Major D.S. Ramsay - it
>> > doesn't say he wrote it.
>>
>> Thanks for the additional information. However, in the interests of
>> clarity (and perhaps pedantry) can I make it clear that neither I
>> nor Jerry Holland claimed that Ramsay wrote the tune. What I wrote
>> (paraphrased from Holland's book) was:
>>
>> "This tune also appears in Jerry Holland's Collection of Fiddle Tunes.
>> According to a footnote there, the tune first appeared in a pipe
>> setting in "The Edcath Collection" Vol. 1, 1954 by Donald Shaw Ramsay."
>>
>> I think this makes it clear that it is the collection, rather than the
>> tune which is being attributed to Ramsay.
>> >
>> > It doesn't look as if Ramsay wrote the Shetland Fiddler, just that he
>> > arranged it, as he did for many other tunes in the book, including
>> > Laird of Drumblair. He did write several other tunes in the book
>> > apparently - the ones that just have his name and not the "arr."
>> > before the name.
>> >
>> As I've already noted, the tune, as played by Holland, Altan and others,
>> is a fiddle version of a pipe setting of "The Hawk" by James Hill. It's
>> perhaps interesting to speculate on whether Ramsay was the initial
>> arranger of the pipe setting. Are there any other James Hill tunes in
>> the Edcath Collection?
>>
>> The title of the tune remains something of a mystery. Altan give their
>> source as Dermot McLaughlin, who learned the tune during a visit to the
>> Setlands, but I can't find a single recording of the tune by a Shetland
>> player, nor does it appear in any of the major Shetland collections.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ted
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:18:05 -0300
>> From: Kate Dunlay or David Greenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [scots-l] Davids G and McG
>>
>> David gets to go to Scotland again. : - )
>> Kate doesn't get to go (again!). : - (
>>
>> From Concerto Caledonia's website ( http://www.concal.org/ ):
>> OCTOBER
>> 24 St Andrews in the Square, Glasgow
>> 25 Corn Exchange Theatre, Biggar
>> 26 St Cecilia's Hall, Edinburgh (Georgian Concert Society)
>> Music of 18th century Edinburgh
>> with David Greenberg, fiddle
>>
>> You can hear David McGuinness, director of Concerto Caledonia,
>> discuss the upcoming collaboration on the BBC Radio Scotland show
>> "Celtic Connections" (about 15 minutes into the show). There are
>> also three relevant musical selections. This week's show is still
>> online at http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/radioscotland/ . You click
>> on "listen again" to access it.
>>
>> This is the first time I've listened to Radio Scotland and I think I
>> might make it a habit. There seem to be a number of shows which
>> feature traditional music. I always forget I can do things like this
>> because our computer is somewhat behind the times. However, I had no
>> problem receiving the show (using Real Player).
>>
>> - - Kate D.
>> - --
>> http://www.DunGreenMusic.com
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>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:04:31 -0700
>> From: Carla and Bob Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [scots-l] Hector the Hero
>>
>> I am currently learning "Hector the Hero", by Scott Skinner. I am using
>> the version he published in "Harp and Claymore". They way it's written
>> isn't like the way I hear it.
>>
>> Is it supposed to be a slow strathspey? Most of the notes I hear played
>> "short" in the recordings I have are notated as normal 1/8 notes. It
>> sounds OK when played as written, but different.
>>
>> Any other playing tips for this tune on fiddle?
>>
>> The liner notes of Fred Morrison's "Broken Chanter" CD (Lismor LCOM5233)
>> say that Mr. Morrison (winnner of Gold Medals for Ceol Mor in Oban and
>> inverness) learned the tune from Tommy Peoples, which is an interesting
>> path, I think (A young Scottish piper learns an old Scottish fiddle tune
>> from an old Irish fiddler). I also have recordings of Johnny Cunningham
>> and Laura Risk playing it. They all sound different from one another.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Rogers
>> South Carolina
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:08:36 -0700
>> From: Toby Rider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [scots-l] Hector the Hero
>>
>> Carla and Bob Rogers wrote:
>> I also have recordings of Johnny Cunningham
>> > and Laura Risk playing it. They all sound different from one another.
>>
>>
>> So decide how it should sound to you and play it that way.. :-)
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:22:20 +0100
>> From: Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [scots-l] Re: Shetland Fiddler, The
>>
>> >> This tune also appears in Jerry Holland's Collection of Fiddle Tunes.
>> >> According to a footnote there, the tune first appeared in a pipe
>> >> setting in "The Edcath Collection" Vol. 1, 1954 by Donald Shaw
>> >> Ramsay.
>> > Ah that solves it.
>>
>> It doesn't. The Edcath tune is in D (as it has to be to be playable
>> on the pipes), whereas both "The Hawk" and the currently-played
>> version of "The Shetland Fiddler" are in E. It isn't very likely
>> that somebody would hit upon the idea of transposing the tune that
>> way and accidentally get back to the original, is it? - Skinner's
>> version of the same tune ("The Spey in Spate") works just fine in D,
>> it doesn't need to be in E for the fiddle.
>>
>> Surely it's more likely that Ramsay heard a version of "The Hawk"
>> that had made its way into Shetland repertoire by the 1950s. He
>> claims credit only as arranger, not composer; the latter would
>> have been more likely if he'd accidentally plagiarized it. So the
>> question is, does any trace of that version survive?
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:53:58 +0200
>> From: "Ted Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: [scots-l] Re: Shetland Fiddler, The
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:owner-scots-l@;argyll.wisemagic.com]On Behalf Of Jack Campin
>> > Sent: 17 October 2002 01:22
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: Re: [scots-l] Re: Shetland Fiddler, The
>> >
>> >
>> > >> This tune also appears in Jerry Holland's Collection of Fiddle
Tunes.
>> > >> According to a footnote there, the tune first appeared in a pipe
>> > >> setting in "The Edcath Collection" Vol. 1, 1954 by Donald Shaw
>> > >> Ramsay.
>> > > Ah that solves it.
>> >
>> > It doesn't. The Edcath tune is in D (as it has to be to be playable
>> > on the pipes), whereas both "The Hawk" and the currently-played
>> > version of "The Shetland Fiddler" are in E.
>>
>> Currently played by whom? I've only ever heard it played in D. All the
>> recorded and notated versions I have are in D, as are all the versions
>> located by John Chambers ABC Tune Finder.
>>
>> > It isn't very likely
>> > that somebody would hit upon the idea of transposing the tune that
>> > way and accidentally get back to the original, is it? - Skinner's
>> > version of the same tune ("The Spey in Spate") works just fine in D,
>> > it doesn't need to be in E for the fiddle.
>>
>> I'd never noticed the resemblance between these two before, but I think
>> it's largely superficial - I don't think they're close enough to be
>> regarded as versions of the same tune.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ted
>>
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>>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:42:02 +0100
>> From: Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [scots-l] Hector the Hero
>>
>> > I am currently learning "Hector the Hero", by Scott Skinner. I am using
>> > the version he published in "Harp and Claymore". They way it's written
>> > isn't like the way I hear it.
>> >
>> > Is it supposed to be a slow strathspey? Most of the notes I hear played
>> > "short" in the recordings I have are notated as normal 1/8 notes. It
>> > sounds OK when played as written, but different.
>>
>> Look at the words and sing it (minus the octave transposition bit). It
>> was clearly written as a lament. I don't know of any recording of it
>> as a song but it's the sort of thing you can imagine Anne Lorne Gillies
>> trying.
>>
>> A 6/8 strathspey is a concept I have a hard time getting my head round.
>> It is sometimes done as a waltz. I think there are plenty enough real
>> waltzes around without pressing laments into service for that.
>>
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:55:42 +0100
>> From: Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: [scots-l] Re: Shetland Fiddler, The
>>
>> >> both "The Hawk" and the currently-played
>> >> version of "The Shetland Fiddler" are in E.
>> > Currently played by whom? I've only ever heard it played in D.
>>
>> Can't remember, I've only heard live amateur performances of it.
>> Probably somebody who got the two tunes mixed up, it seems...
>>
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>>
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:18:33 -0400
>> From: Rita Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [scots-l] Hector the Hero
>>
>> While in Dingwall, (Scotland) the local museum had a lot about Hector
>MacDonald
>> and there is a statue to him on the hill overlooking the town. I believe
>that
>> the tune was written by a woman...trying to get a copy of the printed
tune
>from
>> the museum, myself.
>>
>> - --
>> May neither your strings nor your spirit ever break,
>> May your harp and your soul always be in tune.
>> Rita
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>>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:54:37 -0400
>> From: Cynthia Cathcart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [scots-l] Derek Bell...bad news
>>
>> I just found out that Derek Bell of the Chieftains has died. Here's the
>link:
>> http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=51525292&p=5y5z5998
>> Apparently he died of complications from minor surgery? Does anyone know
>> any more? (Fervently hoping that this is not really true.)
>>
>> Quite a blow to the historical harp world. He was first person I ever
>heard
>> play a wire-strung harp.
>>
>> - --Cynthia Cathcart
>> http://www.cynthiacathcart.net/
>>
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