If I may ask a quick question... How many people wrote to say they were offended by the original tutorial? As I see it, the Vatican, and most cathedrals are filled with paintings that include humans in their "natural" form.
I am not trying to prolong the thread, but I am curious. nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Desjardins" <[email protected]> To: <scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Scribus] Again: Tutorial > Gregory Pittman a ?crit : > >> Louis Desjardins wrote: >> >>>On the content, do we agree some pics are controversial, not text? >>>Please refer to my previous post to Maciej. >>> >> >> Well, we have the heading on the first page after the title page: Make >> Khajuraho More Sexy. We talk about "the most stunning and erotic >> sculptures" soon after. As I said to Maciej, it's not so much saying >> this is flagrantly objectionable, but considering where the "fertile" >> adolescent mind goes with this when the teacher distributes this in >> class. >> >> I think you have to try to look at this from the prospective of a >> teacher in an American high school trying to focus on teaching >> DTP/layout, having to potentially answer to an angry parent or the >> school board about the "pornographic materials" he is using. (And how >> would a female teacher see this?) Something else perhaps a bit >> controversial this year is a heading like "Guerrilla Warfare For Gyaan" >> -- many in Mumbai would not see the humor or cleverness in this. >> >> There are also some cultural things that I do not understand, yet were I >> presume OK for the original purpose. Software can be "muft and mukt". We >> have the "Seven Steps to Software Samadhi" (check samadhi on Wikipedia), >> and at least several of these seven steps do not seem to be talking >> about the Linux we know today. >> >> So we end up saying to the teacher, "Well, use the tutorial for >> yourself, then make your own using your own materials." If that were so >> easy, many of us might have done the same already. >> >> In the end, what I'm saying is that we don't need to censor ourselves >> and destroy this tutorial (or label it For Mature Audiences Only), but >> we can in addition create a more broadly palatable one. > > Yes. You've got very good points. I didn't remember all those titles. > And actually, if I didn't, it must be because they did not hurt or > strike me. Of course, one can be sensitive to the "fertile adolescent > mind" ... > > Really, I still think it is manageable but I am no expert and as I said, > let's look at the long term effect... I realize the issue is a bit > further important than just re-cropping a few pics and editing a title. > To that point, let's leave this document like it is and let's make > another one, like you say. That was version 1. Version 2 will be > different. I have no problem with this approach. > > One thing I would mention is the fact that we have concentrated our > sight on what was "wrong" (in a general way) in that document, taking > good care of more sensitive souls and this is all right. This is some > kind of "active listening" and it always proves to be a good thing to > do. At the same time, let's concentrate on what we like in this > document. Niyam's content was all aimed towards the idea of "Freedom". > This, I think, could (should, whatever!) drive us in our choice for > something else. "Free minds" are not difficult to find in History. > Rembrandt was certainly a "free minded person" (I hope!) What I liked > also was the total different culture from the Occidentals... This is > also a big part of Open Source. Sharing, showing other things and other > ways of looking at things. I might sound a bit serious here but I am > writing this with serenity! :) And this doesn't mean I am behind > Rembrandt! :) > > In the end, the content must meet the container like it did in version 1. > > I am sure Christoph has interesting to mention about Rembrandt that will > support this! :) > > Thanks, Greg, for this wide angle overview! > > Louis >> >> Greg > _______________________________________________ > Scribus mailing list > Scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/mailman/listinfo/scribus >
