2007/9/27, Dr. Werner Popken <Werner at stuerenburg.com>: > > >> Did I understand ocrrectly: Master pages cannot contain elements with > >> different content on different pages except page numbers? > > > No you didn't understand correctly. A master page can contain the same > > elements as a normal page. The difference is you can't edit items on > master > > page once you applied the master page to a normal page. > > Ok, that's what I meant. How would I get different content on a page > using elements of a master page without editing the elements > introduced by that one after it has been applied? No way! > > >> If so, how can I apply a "master layout" to include ever the same text > >> frames (left/right) on a page? Do I miss something here? To rest > >> assured, I spent an hour or so skimming through the documents, > >> experimenting, trying to find out, Googling, ... As far as I can see, > >> you can only place text frames automatically when creating a new > >> document. Is this correct? > > > Yes and no. If you're working with 1.3.4 (which I wouldn't recommend), > you > > may want to explore the possibilities of "Insert > Frame". > > What do you mean? 0h, I see, didn't notice that before. Looks great, > seems to be exactly what I was looking for! I'll try that! > > > Why would you want to change each page of a chapter? One left and one > right > > page for each chapter, including page numbers, are sufficient. > > Well, this may be a question of taste, but if you look at the art of > bookmaking, you will find lots of interesting things. Imagine a book > with 500 pages all looking alike except for the page numbers. The book > certainly has some kind of structure, and you would like to know where > you are with respect to this structure. You would have to look up the > table of contents and compare the page numbers with the page number > you are on to find out -- hopefully your book has a table of contents > ;-) > > So it is a question of comfort if you know that the left page will > give you the chapter you're in and the right page will give you the > section. You will feel much more comfortably reading the book. You > will know where you are in this structure without having to tediously > find out yourself every time you want to know. > > Then there are footnotes which can be handled differently, on a per > page basis, per section basis, per chapter basis or per book basis. > Footnotes traditionally will be placed below the text on the page, if > you use this approach. Recently I saw a solution where the footnote > has been placed in the outer margin, which allowed for placing the > footnote right next to the text where it stemmed from. Very nice! > > The outer margin is traditionally used to give an excerpt to the > paragraphs on this page, sometimes only a couple of words, to make it > easier to find something you read earlier and remember only faintly > for an exact quotation. > > LaTeX not only cares for a bibliography and an index, but also for a > list of pictures and a list of equations. This doesn't really relate > very much to layout questions, but rather to the structure; in this > sense, the table of contents-mechanism of Scribus definitely > transcends the layout approach. I don't want to push Scribus into > directions it isn't intended for, I just wanted to know if there is an > easy approach to get what I want. > > Interestingly, the layout of books in certain parts of the market has > changed significantly during the last 10 years, definitely due to the > availability of powerful software tools. Personally, I'm not very fond > of this development, especially when the design of books approaches > the design of magazines which in turn tends to borrow heavily from the > design of flyers. It ends up having lots of nonrelated elements on a > page, pictures, boxes, symbols, shades, graphic elements, and some > text as well trying to make its way through this maze ;-) > > At least the use of background images has diminished; background > images were sometimes used to a degree that you could hardly read the > text. It would be easy to implement something like that with Master > pages ;-) > > >> Or is the scrapbook the tool to perform these repeating actions like > >> placing text frames and placing a text frame and an image frame > >> within? If so, is there a trick to place them exactly instead of > >> pushing them around or correcting data via keybord in the properties > >> page? > > > No, master pages ;) > > Well, as said above, I cannot edit any elements placed on master > pages. I will try the Insert->Frame-method which will allow me to > place a frame and an image frame on every single page, which I can > manipulate later at will. At least I will have to change the image, > and if I don't need an image on the page at all, it would be easy to > get rid of it.
You can also use Page > Copy. Combined with the proper Master Page, this can be useful in the case you are describing. The Master Page is editable as a Master Page. If you need to change the content, you need an extra Master Page. As I understand, you would have as much left master pages as you have chapters and as much right master pages as you have sections. This might sound like a lot but at the same time, as I mentionned earlier, you can duplicate the master page. I don't see much difference, actually, between having to edit the master page and having to edit the actual pages in the book. I believe that master pages will save you time. Louis Thanks a lot! > > Werner > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/pipermail/scribus/attachments/20070927/547b5088/attachment-0001.html
