On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 06:29 +0200, Christoph Sch?fer wrote: > Roland, >
Thank you for your words. No, I do not need your private collection of notes. No, my message was not out of line, maybe we should speak German that you would get the meaning. A sample chapter is not a solution. Thank you again for your kind words. bye Ronald (that is spelled with first an "n" and then the "l") > I really think you need to learn some basic lessons about Free Software. > > > > > Christoph, > > > > I brought that to the attention of the company, but they refuse to pay > > for the book with the reasons: > > 1. The program is free, but how to use it we should pay? > > The program is Free Software. Free (as in libre) doesn't necessarily mean > gratis! However, you can use Scribus at no cost, download the source code and > modify it! You are also free to ask questions on the mailing lists or on IRC. > The documentation on the Wiki is also available to you -- in more than one > language! > > > 2. The program and the documentation seems to be independent, means > > there is no guaranty that the information is correct nor a chance to get > > it fixed. > > If you had been reading carefully, you'd have noticed that the book is > called "Official Manual," which means it has been approved by the development > team. Actually, it has been partially written and carefully reviewed by the > Scribus devlopers! > > > 3. If we have to pay, then we pay to a commercial product. > > Sure, but as stated above, Open Source doesn't mean gratis or non-commercial. > Moreover, the documentation is released under the FDL. Once you bought a > printed copy, you're free to create and distribute digital versions of the > texts and images. You should also note that the majority of the revenues will > be used to advance the development of Scribus. Have you ever complained about > O'Reilly publishing books on FLOSS software? > > > > > > > For me it is also not understandable that the documentation is a > > different project and extra to pay. I understand that the effort should > > be awarded. BUT a good programmer will make the documentation at the > > same time, otherwise nobody can use the program. > > See above. If you ever took the time to visit www.scribus.net, you would have > been able to notice the availability of a sample chapter and a ToC. Even a > short look would have revealed to you that the manual is for users, not for > programmers. > > > > > Therefore, where are the docs, that lead to the book? > > The final versions are living on my hard drive, as well as on a backup DVD. > If > you think you are entitled to them, I'd be curious as to your legal > reasoning. That doesn't mean I won't make them available to you, but you > should offer something in return that will help the Scribus project. It need > not be money, but could be useful code as well! > > > In summary, I think your latest posting has been completely out of line. You > are working for a company that offers products and services based on FLOSS > and charges for them. At the same time you dare to complain about an Open > Source project that has no commercial interest and has found voluntary > authors who spent a _lot_ of their spare time to write a manual and decided > to sell printed copies for the benefit of the project. > > If you or your company are complaining about not being able to establish a > business without being parasites, you should refrain from using Scribus and > other Free Software. Good luck with that! > > Christoph > > _______________________________________________ > scribus mailing list > scribus at lists.scribus.info > http://lists.scribus.info/mailman/listinfo/scribus
