On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 00:16 +0100, scribus-request at lists.scribus.info wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:40:35 +0100 > From: "a.l.e" <ale.comp_06 at xox.ch> > Subject: Re: [scribus] Bulleted Lists in Scribus (yes, I know....) > To: scribus at lists.scribus.info > Message-ID: <20110110224035.27bd099d at eisflach> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > hi tony, > > > > 1. It runs faster than my ability to think, never mind watch the > > > video. I really have no idea what it is doing. > > > > > > 2. I'm really not going to do all that work just to create a > better > > > looking bullet - assuming that I happen to have a suitable > graphic, > > > which can be reduced in size and still have meaning afterwards, > > > lying around in my system. > > > > > > Is there a better documented way for doing this? I see claims that > > > many large books have been produced using Scribus. Did they all > not > > > need to use bullets? How do other users get round this limitation? > > > MY solution: > > 1. Set up the page in TeX. I suggest the Context variant. > > 2. Import the page as a pdf file. > > i do engrave my bullets in stones (it's not difficult, they are just > holes) and than throw them into the monitor. most of the time it > works. > > > well, let's get serious. > > > when you you're in a text frame in edit mode you get two blue > triangles in the horizontal ruler, move them until you have an indent. > then add a tabulator at the same horizontal position as the horizontal > indent > add a bullet in the line and, with the tabulator key, jump under the > tab. > > if you need lists in your document, you will probably want to create a > text style with the indent. > > this works with 1.3.9. > > what scribus does not support, is to automatically add the bullets or > number the items... but i don't think that it will be a big problem > for you... > > > ciao > a.l.e > > > > ------------------------------
HI a.i.e Let me start by thanking you for the humour and the mini-tutorial. Please be aware that I have serious personality flaw: software irritates me unreasonably when it behaves in a significantly counter-intuitive way. Your humour has turned out to be most prescient. Don't you find that retrieving the stones causes all sorts of brilliant, noisy and odoriferous blue sparks and flashes, around the tips of the pliers, from the deeper recesses of the CRT? I know I do..... Now I need your patience, to help me through this mini tutorial - because almost none of it works on my system (Stable and NG versions). I need to take it step by step: "when you you're in a text frame in edit mode" Edit mode ? If I use <Edit>>Edit Text> or use the icons at the top of the screen or the keyboard short cut, then I open the Story Editor - and there is no ruler there. The only other way I know to edit text in a text frame is to double click within the frame. Is this what you mean by 'in edit mode' ? When I do this there are no blue triangles in the (top) ruler in Stable, but there are in NG - so does your advice apply only to NG? I can get the 2 blue triangles on a ruler, when I am editing a paragraph style (in either Stable or NG - with the interface being much nice in the latter). When I double click in a text frame to enter edit mode, in either version, parts of the horizontal rule change from black to blue and are renumbered. The blue appearance of the ruler is offset by a large amount from the position of the text frame. I find this utterly confusing. The 2 blue triangles appear on the horizontal rule in NG only. Trying to move them is a considerable exercise in frustration, when in 'edit mode', but not when editing a paragraph style - the ease of use differences are dramatic. In text edit mode I found that about 95% of the time my attempts to move the blue triangles to create the indent effect you promise result in the blue portion of the ruler moving an equal amount, removing all meaning in the ruler for me. If there happens to be any text in the frame, then the blue triangles immediately return to their initial location - no matter where that is - when I release the mouse button. It seems like there are anchored with elastic. And the text is moved. Trying to get the 2 triangles to line up exactly is not possible on my system - there are always misaligned by a small margin. The only way I can set a tabulator is by dragging a copy which appears when I place the mouse pointer in the ruler to either the left or the right of the 2 triangles - but positioning this tab. under these triangles is not easily accomplished because as the pointer approaches the position of the triangles it changes to a (relatively) much larger double headed arrow which obscures the location of the 2 triangles. The usability is not good. At this stage there is a large horizontal offset between the position of the 2 blue triangles and the position of the left-most character of text in the frame. In the test sample I am looking at as I write it seems to be about 50 picas - with the text well to the left of the triangles. Thus the triangles give me no clue as to where the text will appear on the page - which is absolutely counter-intuitive. I can insert a bullet only in 'edit mode' (i.e. not in Paragraph style edit mode, which is where I would really like to insert the bullet) and it is inserted at the indented position, immediately to the left of the leftmost text character - with no spacing between bullet and text. The appearance is thus poor. You then tell me to 'jump under the tab' - but the cursor is already there by virtue of the bullet having been inserted at that point - so this step has no meaning. Finally you say: "if you need lists in your document [yes I do! - that's where I came in to this show...], you will probably want to create a text style with the indent." Huh? But I already found that I can't insert a bullet in the paragraph style editor! And at the end of the this process, I (so far, don't) end up with a list using the standard 'single size,fixed shape, any colour as long as it is black, fits all and liked by none' bullet - which is what I am trying to avoid. Sorry, I have to stop here and vacuum the floor - all those glass shards stick in the foot, don't they? And my local monitor retail store closes soon.... Tony
