On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:31:11 -0400 Louis Desjardins <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/10/27 Gregory Pittman <gregp_ky at yahoo.com> > > > On 10/27/2011 06:10 AM, JLuc wrote: > > > >> Le 27/10/2011 11:30, Czarek a ?crit : > >> > >>> LOL. This has been known for ages. > >>>> > >>> > >>> And now you all see how clerkless I am ... ;-) > >>> > >> > >> I think that you are a wonderfull user, > >> and i totally agree with : at this point, usability matters most. > >> > >> > who cares about it, if it is acceptable enough and users want > >> > to put > >> best > >> > quality out for usability... > >> > >> Usability, userfriendliness, ergonomie, quality User Interface, > >> affordance, ... > >> > >> > > I think it's more important to have some understanding of what > > makes for a good outcome of whatever algorithm you are using. If > > you don't you simply have some smug attitude that you are using > > "the best" and by some people's definition, everything else is > > inferior. > > > > I certainly don't consider myself an expert in this. What I look > > for is an overall pleasing look to a block of text (i.e., no rivers > > or other unintended visual distractions), that there is a limited > > use of hyphenation (and especially not several lines with > > hyphenation one after the other), and that when hyphenation is > > used, it is not such that there is no intuitive sense of what the > > rest of the word on the next line might be -- this leads to a small > > cognitive hitch as you read through some text. One also looks for > > awkward hyphenation. > > > > In John's Scribus PDF (full width): > > ... re- > > ceived ... > > this is very ambiguous. In general, various short syllable breaks, > > like in-, de-, re- have so many possible endings. This can be the > > most difficult to prevent. > > > > InDesign: > > ... pri- > > vate ... > > one might consider preventing hyphenation of 2-syllable words to > > avoid this. > > > > Finally, this one in TeX: > > ... announc- > > ing ... > > I have to say, I think this one is quite a mistake. Who would > > hyphenate announcing at this point in the word? Note that Scribus > > has a better announ-cing. > > > > So to intentionally belabor this a bit, all of these DTP programs > > have issues. None is perfect. Each one requires scanning for > > unpleasant surprises or bad choices. > > > > I have added a comment to an existing bug and a .ui file that I > believe would be one way of making Scribus work better for users and > help achieve a smoother typographic color. Please let me know what > you think and if this is implementable. > > http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=9848 > > Louis > > > > > Greg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.scribus.net/pipermail/scribus/attachments/20111027/fb3f2e11/attachment.html> > ___ Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net The Merriam-Webster Dictionary says announc-ing. Sorry. It is very easy in TeX to specify the hyphenation points of a word not found in the hyphenation dictionary. It is also easy to set in advance the minimum length of a hyphenated word-half, pre and post hyphen. Deliberately in my example I did not use these features, any more than I used manual kerning, forced line breaks etc. I really don't have time to go through every issue. Read the TeXBook. TeX is not perfect. But for basic typesetting it is better than all the rest. -- John Culleton Free list of books for self-publishers: http://wexfordpress.net/shortlist.html "Create Book Covers with Scribus" http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html
