On 1/5/17 12:10 AM, "Christoph Sch?fer" wrote:
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>> "Legacy" does not mean dead and gone, just outdated/old. I would
>> consider a version of QuarkXPress that runs on a PowerMac 6400 to be
>> legacy, but not the version that runs under MacOS/Windows 10.
>
> So what are you trying to say here?
As I interpreted what you wrote, "legacy" software meant the company was
dead and gone, which doesn't have to be. By the definition of legacy in
the dictionary I consulted, legacy simply means old and outdated, not
that the maker is gone.
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>>>>
>>>> I think the name of a menu title should be some type of indicator of the
>>>> things you can accomplish. "Windows" doesn't do that, and I don't think
>>>> "Item" does either.
>>>
>>> Alignment is related to items, which need not be frames, so this might be a
>>> better place.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I haven't given any thought as to what the names should be, but maybe
>>>> some of the choices could go elsewhere. For instance, Item includes
>>>> "Adjust". I don't have any problem thinking of "Adjust" as being an
>>>> editing function.
>>>
>>> No, that's not an editing function. It's related to items, whatever they
>>> are.
>>
>> Don't you just love the English language??? <G> If you define
>> "editing" as being limited to just text, you're right. But, if you
>> define "editing" to include all aspects of the entire document, then it
>> fits.
>
> OK then. In one way or another, everything is a kind of editing. So, in your
> world, we only need two or three menu entries: File, Edit, and Help.
Seriously... Do you really think that's what I mean????? <incredulous
look on my face> I'm just saying the title for a dropdown menu should
be indicative of the contents of that menu.
>>>>
>>>> I do like "Extras" because that word choice says there's something here
>>>> I need to check out. "Item" and "Windows" doesn't do that for me.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at a lot entries, I think I could come up with a lot of
>>>> suggestions. Hyphenation and spelling I'd put under edit. That's what
>>>> you're doing with those features isn't it, editing your document?
>>>>
>>>> Don't get me started on the Scribus manual, either. LOL
>>>
>>> The online manual in 1.5.x versions isn't anywhere near completion, and
>>> this has been clearly communicated via our release notes. There are
>>> significant changes ahead, including the UI, and it just doesn't make sense
>>> to waste our time on documenting intermediate states of the software. You
>>> are using a development version, so you have to live with the
>>> documentation's shortcomings. It's exactly the same situation Adobe or
>>> Quark Beta testers are operating under.
>>
>> The 1.5 branch is development, so shouldn't the documentation that's
>> being developed be out there for people to mention what's missing,
>> wrong, etc.?
>
> There is no documentation being "developed", apart from some adjustments
> made by Greg. We simply wait until the new UI is in place and no longer prone
> to changes. Is that too hard to understand?
Not hard to understand, but that knowledge that wasn't in my possession,
either. And it's simply not the methodology I would pursue based on
what I've written now and again in the past.
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>>>>
>>>> I think the Scribus team needs to think more about what a new user's
>>>> expectations will be. They will naturally look for things in places
>>>> they are used to. Look at your competition, word processors, document
>>>> processors (I'm thinking of LyX here), and other page layout programs.
>>>> How do they aggregate options and features? Then pick what seems to be
>>>> the most common. That's more likely to be something people will be used
>>>> to than legacy software menu layouts.
>>>
>>> You are completely wrong again. Scribus is not and has never been developed
>>> for users who are only familiar with word processors, and the Scribus
>>> documentation, much derided by your comments, is absolutely clear about
>>> this.
>>
>> I could read that as meaning the Scribus team is not interested in
>> attracting and gaining users from other areas of computing. But I don't
>> think that's true.
>>
>> As for documentation, Scribus is good, but not great. I haven't seen
>> great documentation in years. Documentation seems to be something no
>> one wants to put any real effort into. :-(
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> See above.
>
>>
>>> I also have no idea why you saw the need to mention LyX. That's a
>>> completely different category of software. It's also more alien to users of
>>> word processors than Scribus could ever be.
>>
>> Because it works with text, and is somewhere between a word processor
>> and page layout in that regard. :-) And if a person is looking for a
>> program that works with text, LyX may be what they need, not a word
>> processor and not a page layout program.
>
> Oh my ...
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>
>>>
>>> Would you mind telling us what this product is?
>>
>> Serif Page Plus. The version I use is out of date by a couple versions,
>> I don't have the justification at the moment to upgrade. I've also
>> learned over the years, that sometimes an upgrade does not offer
>> anything of value to me. Sometimes there's more "moving the deck chairs
>> around on the Titanic" than any real improvement.
>
> That's a replacement for MS Publisher and much better than MS's product.
> Unfortunately it works more like a word processor with DTP capabilities than
> a precision tool like a real DTP software.
IMO, pencil and paper is better than Publisher. <G>
>>
>> FYI, Serif is in the process of completely rewriting their software, and
>> the new versions are now Mac compatible along with Windows.
>
> I'm aware of this, but how is this related to Scribus? Scribus already runs
> on more platforms than PagePlus, *and* it has industry connections that Serif
> is unlikely to ever have, at least for PagePlus. Affinity is a different
> story, though.
Since you asked what the program was, I just passed along that
information in case you were not aware of it.
Would like to try Affinity, but I simply can't afford the expense any
more. :-(
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