Le 12/05/2017 ? 12:01, ZASKE Martin a ?crit : > Dear Craig and helpful list members: > mea culpa!! all my fault, apologies, read excuses below...
I reckon UI for unlinking is uncommon and not discovery-friendly. One can try and err long before understanding. When UI doesnt change, IMO some stronger 'state' or 'status' feedback would improve UX. JL > Craig, I had never known about insert "just frame" so I did not > understand your first response, I did look even, but only seeing insert > text-frame; my bad. > > When you kindly insisted on your solution in your second response, I had > another look and finally found insert "frame" - and I like it. Thank you > for pointing this out to a user who is too busy and too thick to > discover useful new tools by himself. > > > > It gets even worse: I did my tests on "your" text-frames and was muchly > frustrated that even with this "new species of text-frames" my unlinking > would still be erratic: same worked, some did not. > > I made several test documents. Test-series-of-linked-text-frames. > Studied the XML in my editor. Created a manual work-around involving > NEXTITEM="-1" and wasted a lot of time. Almost got ready to file a bug > report. > > > > Then I finally "read the effing manual". I am using Scribus for many > years and have used Corel Draw for even more years and sadly I had > (wrongly) assumed that I could un-link two text-frames from each other > whenever the need would present itself (rarely). How wrong I was... : > > In Scribus I fist need to select a text frame; otherwise the > unlink-button is not even available. Fine; I did that all the time. > > Then I need to click the button. Fine. But nothing happens (sometimes) > except that (supposedly the link-chain-arrows become visible (but they > are ALWAYS visible in my defaults so this never gave me any clues that > there is more to come...)). > > Then I am supposed to click the text frame UNDERNEATH the desired break. > (This step I had always missed. So of course, imagine that I believed > having already unlinked by my click on the icon, I normally would > continue my work. And by selecting just any text-frame for my next job, > would then unknowingly unlink that one...) > > > --- > > So now having finally read the instructions I have to grovel and confirm > that Scribus is not broken: indeed it properly unlinks any text-frame > from its feeding-frame when the magic sequence is properly respected. > > --- > > Then my mind invented a rant about the stupid GUI needing first a > useless selection of any text frame, then a click on a tool-icon, then > another click on the frame to be severed from its umbilical-arrow. > > (I had always assumed this: select the text you want to drop its > dependant and then click the unlink-icon.) > > > I had never actively noticed that there are two sets of Scribus-tools: > > Series A: Select the tool first and then "do-the-action" > > examples: make a selection (arrow), make a text-frame (text-frame-tool), > make a fancy new name for any colour in my document (eye dropper) > > > Series B: Select any item in your document and then "do-the-action" by > clicking the tool afterwards > > examples: make a cut (as in cut&paste), make a text-property-choice > (like centred or pick a font), copy item properties > > > > For unlinking I have a mix of both sets A and B: > > First select the story (chain of text-frames) then activate the tool > (click on unlink-icon) and then "do the unlink". > > > > > I am not complaining; I am relieved that I have found the solution for > rather erratic Scribus behaviour in the last few days. > > > > I repeat: I am sorry; my bad; Scribus is awesome; grovel grovel grovel; > read the manual before you trouble the e-mail-list-members; apologies. > > > So far for today, greetings and thanks, please forgive, > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > On 09.05.2017 09:54, Craig Bradney wrote: >> Hi >> >> >>> On 8 May 2017, at 10:23, ZASKE Martin <zm at revue-gugu.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On 05.05.2017 23:49, Craig Bradney wrote: >>>> I think for me, the biggest issue her his the use of automatic text >>>> frames. I know there will be code that does not deal with automatic >>>> text frames that well. My suggestion would be to just create your >>>> pages, then use Insert->Frame and select the right options. >>>> >>>> thanks Craig >>> >>> Hello Craig, >>> >>> thank you for picking up on my observation. >>> >>> Now I am worried: Are you saying that "automatic text frames" (as >>> created via New Document dialogue-window) are >>> different from text frames which I manually create via >>> >>>> menu > insert > Text Frame >>> or via >>>> Text Frame icon plus mouse-drag >>> >>> ? >> >> Yes there are some very basic differences but some behaviour around >> unlinking and relinking might be different. >> >>> >>> Maybe I am making wrong assumptions? Why would certain code "not deal >>> well" with automatic text-frames, unless they are different from >>> "normal" text-frames? >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyway, if I wanted to use your suggestion, it would mean creating a >>> blank document with 300 empty pages. And then selecting each page and >>> then inserting a text frame by some clicks and then a mouse drag (with >>> snap to guides) within the guides. >>> >>> And then linking some 294 pages manually by selecting each text, >>> clicking the link-icon and then clicking the text-frame on the next page. >>> >>> This feels like a job which I would not even want to dump on an intern. >>> It is bound to lead to clicking errors and then to miss-sized >>> text-frames and to errors in the link-chain. (That would be my human >>> errors, not Scribus errors of course.) >> >> I'm not sure about guide limitation however please check the function I >> mentioned above. It allows you to insert frames over a range of pages, >> linking them etc and sizing them within page or margin boundaries. Check it >> out. It's fast. >> >>> If we >>> are having such very helpful features in Scribus like creating >>> multi-page blank documents with ready prepared and linked text-frames >>> then we should all help to make or keep those as bugs-free as possible. >> >> Actually I prefer to get rid of automatic text frame function but it could >> still be updated. No plans to yet. >> >> The frame insert code I wrote more than likely does what you need. >> >> Craig >> >> ___ >> Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net >> Edit your options or unsubscribe: >> http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus >> See also: >> http://wiki.scribus.net >> http://forums.scribus.net >> >> __________ Hinweis von ESET NOD32 Antivirus, Malware-Datenbank-Version 15399 >> (20170511) __________ >> >> E-Mail wurde gepr?ft mit ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > >
