Thank you Martin. It means a lot to me. Kind regards, Norbert
On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 1:46 PM ZASKE Martin <zm at revue-gugu.org> wrote: > Dear Norbert, > > thank you for more feedback and for your transparency. Again, your > initiative is very good and all your reasoning makes sense to me. > > Re your proposals for attribution: "What do you think?" I think there is > a healthy portion of common sense and you are listing good concepts. > Seems that many graphic designers are hungry and need exposure (judging > from certain questions on http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/) > > So attribution is a fine thing, where there is space to place it. I > guess that more than 80% of our output has space or even a full page to > carry attributions and thank-you-notes. And what you propose for > home-production also sounds good. > > > When we broadcast our proverbs for example, by WhatsApp to a growing > list of subscribers, we learnt that we can put our CC license into the > jpeg-meta data as EXIF and IPTC. All our proverbs are decorated and > layouted in Scribus. They probably never get printed for real and most > of our illustrations for that series comes from Openclipart (so no need > for attribution). Those proverbs do not need your templates, but just to > show you that we like the concept of CC and apply it wherever the > project and sources allow us. > > > All the best for your project. Just write some helpful guidelines. Those > who want to steal CC stuff will do it anyway and print it in the second > basement somewhere in North Korea or wherever. But the good people, who > just print some party-invitations will learn about the issues and can > respect the providers more. > > And still there might be contributors who would even opt for "public > domain", so just consider offering that option. Or run it as a test and > see whether it is worth your trouble. > > good weekend, > > Martin > > > On 18.05.2018 13:59, Norbert from Scribus Templates wrote: > > Dear Martin, > > > > Thank you for your valuable feedback. Non-mainstream templates would add > > some serious value to the repository. > > > > 1) Thank you for initiating the discussion on licensing. To answer your > > question, I am mindful of the following: > > > > - allow designers to gain exposure > > - allow Scribus to gain exposure > > - some guarantee that the templates will not be sold elsewhere > > - be the least cumbersome for end users > > > > I believe the CC BY-SA license can accomplish the first three and not > being > > overcomplicated about the attribution requirements lead to the last one. > > Attribution could go anywhere on the final product (digital or print) and > > should be somehow human readable, i.e. not in metadata. > > > > However, I do understand that in some situations this would be > > impracticable, specially for home printing (occasional office or family > > use) and freelancing (crediting may not be expected or appropriate for > some > > projects). Requirements could be waived in such situations, say on the > > condition that: > > > > - users send a picture of their homeprints :) or > > - users/freelancers contribute in return to the repo when they can > > > > What do you think? What do others feel about it? I like the idea of > > reciprocal sharing and I?m already excited to work in this direction. > > > > 2) Thanks again. I?m being transparent. I believe the project has to be > > financially viable to survive. I shifted away from the idea of having > ads ? > > which is it seems how the websites you mentioned generate an income. I > got > > the ball rolling? We?re only at the beginning. > > > > 3) I didn?t mean to hurt anyone?s feelings :) YES Scribus is hot but just > > not easily accessible to everyone. Templates as you reckon can change > that. > > The slogan is really a call for action, something like ?just do it?. And > > using ?more? here would mean there?s a deficit somewhere, wouldn?t it?! > ;) > > > > Kind regards, > > Norbert > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:26 PM, ZASKE Martin <zm at revue-gugu.org> > wrote: > > > >> Dear Norbert, > >> > >> thank you for your initiative and for sharing here. I had a look at your > >> site and first impression is nice. > >> > >> Our project will probably never use any template, as our stuff and our > >> readers are in a very-not-mainstream niche. Still templates can be one > >> helpful aspect for learning about all the powers of Scribus. > >> > >> If I ever have time, I will contribute a template plus sample database > >> to show the awesome Scribus Generator in action. > >> > >> Now from me one question, one hint and one mild correction: > >> > >> > >> > >> How do you want the attribution for your template CC licence? I do not > >> see that it would make our posters any prettier, if we had to print an > >> attribution "just for the template". Would you accept an attribution and > >> licence info in the meta-data of any exported PDF-document? And what > >> about printed documents? Minimum font-size? ... In books and magazines > >> we are having a dedicated page for "legal matters", but what about > >> one-page stuff or packaging or WhatsApp serial-proverbs... Have a look > >> at all the different things created by Scribus on the "success stories" > >> web-pages and write some practical ideas how the attribution could be > >> correct but not deface the products. > >> Maybe you could offer your contributors the option to tick > "public > >> domain" and thereby free the end-user from licence and attribution > >> hassle? I love that at Openclipart.org and at Pixabay.com (both as a > >> user and as a humble contributor). > >> > >> > >> > >> I have been here for several years and I have never seen or heard the > >> core Scribus developers ask for any money. As you are pointing out > >> rightly, there are always costs... So they must have some sweet secret, > >> maybe an oil-well or whatever. Just to give you that context and let you > >> decide how much you want to shout. > >> > >> > >> > >> Lastly, I propose your slogan should be "Let's make Scribus more sexy!" > >> because - as far as any computer tool can be - Scribus is rather hot > >> already!! > >> > >> > >> All the best for your project; I love all the good stuff and the sharing > >> coming to this list. > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> > >> On 16.05.2018 08:59, Norbert from Scribus Templates wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> My name is Norbert and I'm from France. If you're anything like me, the > >>> first thing you did when trying out Scribus for the first time was to > >> look > >>> for templates. And. Well... You didn't find any. That is, not much more > >>> than those bundled with the software. > >>> > >>> I'd like to change that. > >>> > >>> I started releasing free user friendly templates in April 2018 on > >>> scribus-templates.net - yes, I creatively called the project Scribus > >>> Templates. And I'm planning to release more of them every week. Read > all > >>> about my crazy idea on the About page ( > >> scribus-templates.net/p/about.html). > >>> > >>> If you're thrilled about this like I am, there are a number of ways in > >>> which you could be part of it too. If you are an active Scribus user in > >>> particular, you already have some files that you could convert into > >>> templates and submit - that is, if you're happy to release them under > CC > >>> BY-SA 4.0 license. > >>> > >>> Scribus Templates is and always will be about free access to knowledge > >> and > >>> sharing. This project is not commercially driven. However, it has to be > >>> self-sustainable and this can be achieved with your help. If you > believe > >>> these values are worth defending, consider making a tip ( > >>> tipeee.com/scribus-templates) and passing on this email. > >>> > >>> Subscribe to get new templates every week. Email me if you'd like to > >>> contribute in any way. > >>> > >>> Spread the word, share the love. 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